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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 14:53:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: ? ? ? Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <l4vv9tFhbj7U1@mid.individual.net> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <l52gkhFt900U1@mid.individual.net> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ahrlF5rlhU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5fmo2FturcU1@mid.individual.net> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <l5ni4hF5e44U1@mid.individual.net> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <l5q4mnFhb1cU1@mid.individual.net> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> <17be298a8c1dd8d7$99557$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <65F9E307.3666@ix.netcom.com> <17be417c0ed16e1f$99560$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <65FA80AA.3692@ix.netcom.com> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <65FA80AA.3692@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 164 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.hasname.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:53:19 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 7223 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17be7d69599079f5$247407$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 7651 W dniu 20.03.2024 o 07:22, The Starmaker pisze: > Maciej Wozniak wrote: >> >> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze: >>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>> >>>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: >>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time') >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? >>>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. >>>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they >>>>>>>>>> times? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my >>>>>>>>>>> shadows!" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they >>>>>>>> something else? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All time measures are intervals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between >>>>>>> that event and some other event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is >>>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally >>>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not >>>>>>> born 24 times on a single day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TH >>>>>> >>>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and >>>>>> measure the movement of the shadow. >>>>>> >>>>>> This measure you often called 'time'. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, >>>>>> shadow or no shadow. >>>>>> >>>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys >>>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!" >>>>>> >>>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical >>>>> shadow. >>>> >>>> And? >>>> Are zone times times or are they >>>> something else? >>> >>> >>> zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across >>> the face of the earth. >> >> Finally. An answer. >> Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's >> shadow moving across the face of the earth? > > There are no intervals, no points...the shadow is continious. > > The Sun does not go tic, then tok. no intervals, no points...the shadow > is continious. > > There is no time. But there are zone times. And UTC, and TAI... You've spent too much with physicists and their moronic delusions, of course - time, as they imagined and described it - doesn't exist.