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W dniu 20.03.2024 o 07:22, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>>>>>> that event and some other event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>>>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>>>>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>>>>>> shadow or no shadow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>>>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
>>>>> shadow.
>>>>
>>>> And?
>>>> Are zone times times or are they
>>>> something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
>>> the face of the earth.
>>
>> Finally. An answer.
>> Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's
>> shadow  moving across the face of the earth?
> 
> There are no intervals, no points...the shadow is continious.
> 
> The Sun does not go tic, then tok.  no intervals, no points...the shadow
> is continious.
> 
> There is no time.

But there are zone times. And UTC, and TAI...
You've spent too much with physicists and their
moronic delusions, of course - time, as they
imagined and described it - doesn't exist.