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On 3/25/2024 3:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2024 at 12:47:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/13/2024 10:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   In article <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>     moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 3/13/2024 7:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>   moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>   On 3/13/2024 4:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>   In article
>>>>>>>   <17bc6a65e0fefe3d$133203$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>   moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On 3/12/2024 11:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   In article <75r1vidlcuq3nd6lsnd4o1s254bn9khpgu@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>   The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:10:11 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>>>>>>   <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   A bill passed earlier in Trudeau's Reign of Error made people
>>>>>>>>>>>   eligible for two years in prison for "mis-gendering" (i.e. correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>   identifying the gender of an individual). They got away with tha
>>>>>>>>>>>   so now they've upped the ante to put us in prison for life for
>>>>>>>>>>>   hate speech.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   I suppose I could be in trouble then since I have publicly and online
>>>>>>>>>>   denounced the Gladue decision and the UNDRIP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Has anyone pointed out to Trudeau how ironic it is that a guy who has
>>>>>>>>>   been caught in blackface is now proposing life sentences for hate
>>>>>>>>>   speech?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Has anyone suggested he lead by example and check himself into the
>>>>>>>>>   nearest maximum security prison?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Trudeau's blackface wasn't a clear expression of hate ...which 'hate
>>>>>>>>   speech' presumably is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Yes, there's always an excuse for why "it's different when we do it".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Ask any BLM/NAACP/black racial grievance group if they consider
>>>>>>>   appearing blackface to be hate and I bet they have a different standard
>>>>>>>   than you do. And the rules of political correctness say their definition
>>>>>>>   controls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   No, there isn't "always an excuse" for why it might be "different".
>>>>>>   Consider, for example, the recent discussion of RuPaul's book-banning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Meanwhile, the question of 'hate' is determined by the offender's state
>>>>>>   of mind, not the offendee's.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Not according to all the woke DEI training everyone has to go through these
>>>>>   days. Your intent doesn't matter. It's the offended person's feelings that
>>>>>   matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>   That's why people can get fired for using the word niggardly. Doesn't
>>>>>   matter if the word has no racial meaning. Doesn't matter that the person
>>>>>   who used it had no intent to offend. All that matters is that a stupid
>>>>>   person with a stunted vocabulary was offended.
>>>>
>>>>   'Training' is presumably to let people know what things might be
>>>>   unexpectedly injurious.
>>>   
>>>   No, they don't go through a list of what's offensive. They just tell you
>>>   that it doesn't matter what you meant or intended. Only the offended
>>>   person's thoughts and feelings matter.
> 
> NOTE: In a current case against the ACLU, this is exactly what the ACLU is
> arguing: intent doesn't matter. Only the offense of the aggrieved matters.
> 
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/aclu-employee-fired-race-bias.html
> 
> The case raises some intriguing questions about the wide swath of employee
> behavior and speech that labor law protects-- and how the nation's pre-eminent
> civil rights organization finds itself on the opposite side of that law,
> arguing that those protections should not apply to its former employee.
> 
> A lawyer representing the ACLU, Ken Margolis, said during a legal proceeding
> last year that it was irrelevant whether Ms. Oh bore no racist ill will. All
> that mattered, he said, was that her black colleagues were offended and
> injured.
> 
>>>>   'Hate' is what might be inferred of someone who does such things despite
>>>>   already knowing.
>>>>
>>>>   By now, we'd both bet that 'niggardly' is used primarily to taunt.
>>>   
>>>   Presumption of guilt. One of America's core values, amirite?
>>
>> Expectation isn't presumption.

The article's paywalled but, if Ms. Oh had no reason to expect that her 
black colleagues would be offended, the lawyer above seems to be full of 
shit.  And, since the ACLU isn't often full of shit, I'm guessing that 
Ms. Oh might've unreasonably ignored a few common racial understandings.