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On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of 
>>>>>> her family's
>>>>> dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the 
>>>>> Easter
>>>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on 
>>>>> Instagram on
>>>>> Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person 
>>>>> after he
>>>>> dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot 
>>>>>> & killed
>>>>> our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the
>>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN 
>>>>> shot our
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he
>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>> being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed 
>>>>> self-defense. He
>>>>> did
>>>>> not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was 
>>>>> shopping
>>>>> under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my 
>>>>> daughters and
>>>>> myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, 
>>>>> I did."
>>>>> We
>>>>> are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our 
>>>>> beloved
>>>>> boy and family member."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to 
>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this 
>>>>>> incident. We have no
>>>>> tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was 
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct 
>>>>> contact with
>>>>> the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
>>>>> investigation."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to 
>>>>>> TMZ, law
>>>>> enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed 
>>>>> he shot
>>>>> the
>>>>> dog in self-defense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the 
>>>>>> residence to
>>>>> deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog 
>>>>> attacked him
>>>>> while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a
>>>>> single
>>>>> gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was 
>>>>> present at
>>>>> the residence but did not attack."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They added that the department's Animal Control division was also 
>>>>>> involved in
>>>>> the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no 
>>>>> charges
>>>>> had
>>>>> been filed against the driver at this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The police department added that it was not seeking out any other 
>>>>>> individuals
>>>>> in response to the shooting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the 
>>>>> front of
>>>>> the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen 
>>>>> all the
>>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
>>>>
>>>>> The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the front 
>>>>> door. I
>>>>> thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to 
>>>>> see that
>>>>> her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew.
>>>>
>>>> I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device
>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
>>>>
>>>>> Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your 
>>>>> life
>>>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell 
>>>>> video
>>>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this 
>>>>> campaign?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
>>>>
>>>> My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
>>>>
>>>>> They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and 
>>>>> steals
>>>>> their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals 
>>>>> should be
>>>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
>>>> happen to him.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're kidding, right?  Without him having proof of self defense, 
>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
>>>
>>> As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, 
>>> he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
>>
>> I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero 
>> provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
> 
> Wow, pig.  So you've never been on a jury before, have you?

No, I fail the voir dire.  But in this instance it's the word of the 
victim and only witness against the owners' speculative "certainty".