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On 4/4/2024 9:09 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/4/2024 8:28 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of 
>>>>>>>> her family's
>>>>>>> dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the 
>>>>>>> Easter
>>>>>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on 
>>>>>>> Instagram on
>>>>>>> Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person 
>>>>>>> after he
>>>>>>> dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart 
>>>>>>>> shot & killed
>>>>>>> our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN 
>>>>>>> shot our
>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>> Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then 
>>>>>>> knew he
>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>> being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed 
>>>>>>> self-defense. He
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was 
>>>>>>> shopping
>>>>>>> under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my 
>>>>>>> daughters and
>>>>>>> myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. 
>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of 
>>>>>>> our beloved
>>>>>>> boy and family member."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to 
>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this 
>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
>>>>>>> tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was 
>>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>> suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct 
>>>>>>> contact with
>>>>>>> the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
>>>>>>> investigation."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to 
>>>>>>>> TMZ, law
>>>>>>> enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed 
>>>>>>> he shot
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dog in self-defense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at 
>>>>>>>> the residence to
>>>>>>> deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog 
>>>>>>> attacked him
>>>>>>> while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by 
>>>>>>> firing a
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was 
>>>>>>> present at
>>>>>>> the residence but did not attack."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They added that the department's Animal Control division was 
>>>>>>>> also involved in
>>>>>>> the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no 
>>>>>>> charges
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> been filed against the driver at this time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The police department added that it was not seeking out any 
>>>>>>>> other individuals
>>>>>>> in response to the shooting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to 
>>>>>>> the front of
>>>>>>> the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get 
>>>>>>> stolen all the
>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
>>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the 
>>>>>>> front door. I
>>>>>>> thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to 
>>>>>>> see that
>>>>>>> her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it 
>>>>>>> knew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring 
>>>>>> device
>>>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in 
>>>>>>> your life
>>>>>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell 
>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this 
>>>>>>> campaign?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
>>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes 
>>>>>>> and steals
>>>>>>> their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals 
>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
>>>>>> happen to him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're kidding, right?  Without him having proof of self defense, 
>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, 
>>>>> he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero 
>>>> provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
>>>
>>> You're confused.  Try "not enough provocation."  A dog growling isn't 
>>> reason to execute it.
>>
>> "Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
>>
> I have the feeling the dog was walking up to the InstaCart person 
> looking for a scritch or petting.

Frankly, I do too.  Otoh, my personal bias is that any grownup should be 
willing to endure some minor mauling rather than to open fire.