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On 4/15/2024 4:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article
> <17c68b3bbff3bbdb$39147$3340453$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
>   moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/14/2024 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <20240414115816.00002f6c@example.com>,
>>>    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 23:20:47 -0700
>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:22:48 -0400, Rhino
>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the homeless were allowed agency, there would inevitably be
>>>>>> pressure to hold them accountable for their actions. That would
>>>>>> undermine the "progressive" Saviours who are going to fix everything
>>>>>> with vast new and expensive - and almost certainly futile - programs
>>>>>> to help the poor darlings. It's far better to just declare them all
>>>>>> to be helpless captives of their addictions and mental health so
>>>>>> that "help" can be applied in whatever fashion the government and
>>>>>> their agents in the civil service deem necessary. Many many billions
>>>>>> of tax dollars can then be wasted on schemes that won't solve the
>>>>>> problem but WILL enrich the agencies that run the schemes.
>>>>>>    
>>>>> You're suggesting forcible confinement in mental health facilities
>>>>
>>>> Actually, no, I was not even *thinking* of doing that.
>>>
>>> You may not be, but I am. If you're violently mentally ill, walking
>>> around threatening people and attacking them, you need to be removed
>>> from society. If your illness is such that treatment is ineffective,
>>> then you stay there forever. But there's no reason the rest of us should
>>> have to run the risk of being attacked, stabbed, set on fire, whatever
>>> your delusions are telling you to do just going about our daily lives.
>>
>> Actually, there is *some* reason we run such risks: we give personal
>> freedom the benefit of doubt under necessarily imperfect diagnoses.
> 
> A mentally ill guy diagnosis himself perfectly when he violently attacks
> someone. At that point we know something must be done about him that
> involves removing him from society. The only question is whether that
> removal is permanent or not.

If "violent behavior" were an absolute indicator of mental illness, we 
wouldn't have, e.g., the movie industry we do.  My point is that we 
willingly endure some of the risk you speak of, choosing to err on the 
side of protecting individual weirdness.  Sure, instances at either 
extreme will be clear, but there'll always be the continuum between.