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On 5/4/24 10:00 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 5/4/24 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 5/3/24 11:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 17:37:44 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to figure out if I support the legislation that passed the
>>>>> House yesterday defining anti-Semitism and requiring the Department of
>>>>> Education to use the definition to determine whether a university has
>>>>> failed to take action against anti-Semitism. Department of Education
>>>>> may be required to cut federal funding for universities found to be
>>>>> disriminating.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anti-Semitism is an expression of thought. The definition, which
>>>>> includes in its definition of anti-Semitism the criticism of Israel
>>>>> that tends to apply uniquely to Israel and no other nation on earth,
>>>>> is possibly a reasonable one.
>>>>>
>>>>> The incidents of speech can certainly be labeled as anti-Semitic,
>>>>> along with incidents in which threats, intimidation, vandalism, and
>>>>> violence have occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the legislation requiring universities to shut down protests or
>>>>> punish those participating in the protests if there is no finding that
>>>>> the speech also included threats and intimidation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) opposed the legislation on
>>>>> religious grounds. Do I look to her for leadership on religion or
>>>>> anything at all? She wrote that she would not vote for the law
>>>>> because it "could convict Christians of antisemitism for believing
>>>>> the gospel that says Jesus was handed over to Herod to be crucified
>>>>> by the Jews." This has been used as justification for violence
>>>>> against Jews over the centuries.
>>>>>
>>>> I could really benefit from some facts here. My knowledge of the
>>>> details from either a Christian or Jewish perspective is extremely
>>>> limited here.
>>>>
>>>> I know that Jesus was crucified at Herod's behest. Herod was a King but
>>>> did he actually have the power to order the execution on his own
>>>> initiative or was he simply doing as the Roman emperor directed without
>>>> any realistic possibility of dissenting? And what was Herod's own
>>>> religion? Was he Jewish? Was he a popular leader among the Jews? (Yes,
>>>> I know that is a silly question given that very few people had much say
>>>> over who was going to be their king: it's not like he was elected! But
>>>> kings, however they can be get that job, can be anywhere on a spectrum
>>>> from widely loved to massively despised. I'm just curious where Herod
>>>> was among the people he ruled.) What were the sentiments of the Jewish
>>>> community about Jesus? I knew Jesus was Jewish but I don't know if most
>>>> Jews thought well of him or if they thought he was some kind of
>>>> harmless weirdo or dangerous heretic.
>>>>
>>>> Also, how did Jesus come to be in Herod's custody? What actual crime
>>>> did he commit? Who arrested him? Was his crime seen by agents of the
>>>> King (the equivalent to today's police) or was he turned in by an
>>>> informer? I know Judas is supposed to have a part in this - I remember
>>>> something about Judas getting 30 pieces of silver to denounce Jesus -
>>>> but again, I don't remember details. Did Judas actually slink into a
>>>> police station-equivalent and rat out Jesus? Or was he rounded up and
>>>> tortured into denouncing Jesus?
>>>>
>>>> I think I need to know all this in order to form an opinion on Greene's
>>>> concerns. I should point out that I've heard accusations of
>>>> wing-nuttery against Greene, especially by the "progressive" media, but
>>>> I've never heard a single clip directly from her where she explains her
>>>> views about anything so I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt
>>>> initially, even though I utterly loathe the idea that she's trying to
>>>> protect a justification for launching anti-Jewish pogroms.
>>>>
>>>>> I heard excerpts of the bill's sponsor's speech on the House floor on
>>>>> C-SPAN this morning. Michael Lawler (R-New York) is the lead sponsor.
>>>>> He explained that he was trying to help college leaders understand
>>>>> what anti-Semitism is because they have so much trouble noticing it
>>>>> taking place. I couldn't stop laughing.
>>>>>
>>>> Bravo to Lawler for his wit!
>>>>> The bill's sponsors stated that the bill includes language that does
>>>>> not thwart criticism of the government of Israel. I'm not sure. The
>>>>> anti-Semitic criticism of Israel they are trying to thwart could be an
>>>>> expression of anti-Semitism (under the definition) and may not be an
>>>>> attempt to threaten or intimidate. It's possible to be anti-Semitic
>>>>> without making a death threat.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are my concerns. I haven't thus far found concerns stated by
>>>>> Democrats who opposed the legislation to be all that specific to
>>>>> concerns they claim to have over the potential for free speech to be
>>>>> stifled.
>>>>>
>>>> Yet somehow I feel sure the Democrats would be EXTREMELY unhappy if any
>>>> new law limited the right of their precious "progressive" students from
>>>> being as anti-Israel/anti-Semitic as they wanted to be.
>>>>> Even if Republicans supporting this legislation have the moral high
>>>>> ground -- and they do appear to -- I don't want speech stifled.
>>>>>
>>>> A worthy goal!
>>>>> Even those students supporting Hamas might have been represented by
>>>>> David Goldberger to protect their civil right to free speech, in the
>>>>> olden days in which the ACLU represented Kluxers and neo-Nazis so that
>>>>> the rest of us might speak freely.
>>>>
>>>> That was then, this is now. My perception is that the ACLU has morphed
>>>> beyond recognition into a hard-core anti-capitalist left wing group of
>>>> advocates.
>>>
>>> Matt Walsh summed up my thoughts on the bill and the absolute 
>>> inability of
>>> Republicans to take a win without cocking it all up:
>>>
>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FadIjHlYcM&t=608s
>>>
>>> There's no way I'll support anything that gives foreign governments the
>>> ability to set the limits of acceptable speech in America.
>>
>>
>> Does "supporting things" whilst being an anonyshit carry a lot of 
>> weight then?
> 
> 
> Again, Thanny cites another right wing fanatic MAGA troll.  This time 
> Matt Walsh.
> 
> Who is Matt Walsh that Thanny wants to cite?  This fucking guy!
> 
> 
> On cartoons and anime:
>> “It’s really popular amongst teens and young adults. I think it’s all 
>> satanic,” he declared before noting he had no evidence to back up that 
>> assertion.
>> “I have no argument for it. I have no argument for why it’s satanic,” 
>> Walsh added. “It just seems that way to me. All anime to me seems 
>> weird—just like bizarre, creepy.”
>>
>> The Daily Wire provocateur and apparently self-appointed self-help 
>> guru wrapped up by declaring that adults should never watch animated 
>> movies or series.
>> “In general, I don’t think that adults should be—whether it’s anime or 
>> any other kind of cartoon, with rare exception—adults really shouldn’t 
>> be watching cartoons in general, I would say,” he stated.
> 
> So cartoons are now "satanic".
> 
> Matt Walsh is nothing more than a homophobic troll.  So, naturally, he's 
> Thanny's go-to guy.


And do you find the right wing homophobes the ones most likely to be 
gay?  I do.