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On 5/18/24 8:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 18, 2024 at 4:15:05 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>   In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>      moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>   On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>   <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>   The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>       >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>       >sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>       >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>>>>       >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.)
>>>>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>>>>       ><rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>       I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have
>>>>>>>>>       managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these
>>>>>>>>>       days
>>>>>>>>>       are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they
>>>>>>>>   weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this
>>>>>>>>   to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started
>>>>>>>>   being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the
>>>>>>>>   performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now
>>>>>>>>   seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll
>>>>>>>>   call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be
>>>>>>>>   given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have
>>>>>>>>   been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some
>>>>>>>>   kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots
>>>>>>>>   they're demanding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the
>>>>>>>>   people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in
>>>>>>>>   general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going
>>>>>>>>   out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of
>>>>>>>>   this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where
>>>>>>>   literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was
>>>>>>>   an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition
>>>>>>>   system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist
>>>>>>>   because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges
>>>>>>>   have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are,
>>>>>>>   etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This
>>>>>>>   used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the
>>>>>>>   inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over
>>>>>>>   whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>   result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
>>>>>>>   talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a
>>>>>>>   decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the
>>>>>>>   intelligentsia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that
>>>>>>>   screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against
>>>>>>>   whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender,
>>>>>>>   rather than ability to play the music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial
>>>>>>>   discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a
>>>>>>>   few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind
>>>>>>>   auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical
>>>>>>>   musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many
>>>>>>>   black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem
>>>>>>>   in the first place). Wonder why that is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as
>>>>>>   though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?
>>>>>
>>>>>   I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that
>>>>>   you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they
>>>>>   can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for
>>>>>   it.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they
>>>>>   somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent
>>>>>   and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a
>>>>>   'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'.
>>>>
>>>>   But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias
>>>>   meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.
>>>   
>>>   But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about
>>>   it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with
>>>   regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
>>>   
>>>   A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence
>>>   than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people
>>>   for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>   
>>>   Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>   mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>   
>>>   Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are
>>>   what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one
>>>   a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed?
>>
>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given instance.
>>
>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.
> 
> And the teams who make the most money are the teams who win-- i.e., the teams
> with the most talent. If you want to start putting black people in orchestras
> despite them not being able to play Mahler as well as the white guy next in
> line,


Cite?  Hint, your racism is not proof, it's just you acting like a piece 
of dogshit.  I claim these truths to be self evident:


Black musicians' low participation in American orchestras often begins 
with issues of access and resources. It is expensive to become a working 
classical musician, and even more expensive if you want to play in a 
professional orchestra.Apr 3, 2024

It's Not Just an Access Problem – Orchestras Aren't Creating ...
I Care If You Listen
https://icareifyoulisten.com › 2024/04 › its-not-just-an-...


  then you have to start forcing basketball teams to hire less-talented
> white guys who can't play as well as the top-ranked black players.
> 
>