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On 6/13/24 7:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2024 at 3:31:22 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/13/2024 6:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On Jun 13, 2024 at 1:36:30 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>     On 6/12/2024 8:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>     I've noticed that several of the EV charging stations at my local mall
>>>>>>   seem to
>>>>>>     have the cables ripped out. (There are also huge swaths of L.A. that
>>>>>> are now
>>>>>>     dark at night because thieves have ripped apart streetlights to steal the
>>>>>>     copper inside.) So now even if you happen to find one of the rare chargers
>>>>>>     that can 'fuel-up' your EV, you're likely to find it useless due to
>>>>>>   thievery.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     ----------------------------------
>>>>>>     DETROIT (AP) — Just before 2AM on a chilly April night in Seattle, a
>>>>>>   Chevrolet
>>>>>>     Silverado pickup stopped at an electric vehicle charging station on
>>>>>> the edge
>>>>>>     of a shopping center parking lot. Two men, one with a light strapped
>>>>>> to his
>>>>>>     head, got out. A security camera recorded them pulling out bolt
>>>>>> cutters. One
>>>>>>     man snipped several charging cables; the other loaded them into the truck.
>>>>>>   In
>>>>>>     under 2½ minutes, they were gone.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     The scene that night has become part of a troubling pattern across the
>>>>>>     country: Thieves have been targeting EV charging stations, intent on
>>>>>>   stealing
>>>>>>     the cables, which contain copper wiring. The price of copper is near a
>>>>>>   record
>>>>>>     high on global markets, which means criminals stand to collect rising sums
>>>>>>   of
>>>>>>     cash from selling the material.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     The stolen cables often disable entire stations, forcing EV owners on the
>>>>>>   road
>>>>>>     to search desperately for a working charger. For the owners, the
>>>>>> predicament
>>>>>>     can be exasperating and stressful.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     Broken-down chargers have emerged as the latest obstacle for U.S.
>>>>>> automakers
>>>>>>     in their strenuous effort to convert more Americans to EVs despite
>>>>>>   widespread
>>>>>>     public anxiety about a scarcity of charging stations. About 4 in 10 U.S.
>>>>>>     adults say they believe EVs take too long to charge or don't know of any
>>>>>>     charging stations nearby.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     If even finding a charging station doesn't necessarily mean finding
>>>>>>     functioning cables, it becomes one more reason for skeptical buyers to
>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>     with traditional gasoline-fueled or hybrid vehicles, at least for now.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     Two years ago, according to Electrify America, which runs the nation’s
>>>>>>     second-largest network of direct-current fast chargers, a cable might
>>>>>> be cut
>>>>>>     perhaps every six months at one of its 968 charging stations, with 4,400
>>>>>>   plugs
>>>>>>     nationwide. Through May this year, the figure reached 129-- four more than
>>>>>>   in
>>>>>>     all of 2023. At one Seattle station, cables were cut six times in the past
>>>>>>     year, said Anthony Lambkin, Electrify America's vice president of
>>>>>>   operations.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     "We're enabling people to get to work, to take their kids to school,
>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>     medical appointments," Lambkin said. "So to have an entire station that's
>>>>>>     offline is pretty impactful to our customers."
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     Until a month ago, police in Houston knew of no cable thefts. Then one was
>>>>>>     stolen from a charger at a gas station. The city has now recorded eight or
>>>>>>     nine such thefts, said Sgt. Robert Carson, who leads a police metal-theft
>>>>>>     unit.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     In one case, thieves swiped 18 of 19 cords at a Tesla station. That day,
>>>>>>     Carson visited the station to inspect the damage. In the first five
>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>>     that he was there, Carson said, about 10 EVs that needed charging had
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>     turned away. In very large cities like Houston, charging stations
>>>>>> typically
>>>>>>     contain an especially large number of plugs and cables, so thefts can be
>>>>>>     particularly damaging. "They're not just taking one," Carson said. "When
>>>>>>     they're hit, they're hit pretty hard."
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     The charging companies say it’s become clear that the thieves are
>>>>>> after the
>>>>>>     copper that the cables contain. In late May, copper hit a record high of
>>>>>>     nearly $5.20 a pound, a result, in part, of rising demand resulting from
>>>>>>     efforts to cut carbon emissions with EVs that use more copper wiring. The
>>>>>>     price is up about 25% from a year ago, and many analysts envision further
>>>>>>     increases.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     Charging companies say there isn’t actually very much copper in the
>>>>>> cables,
>>>>>>     and what copper is there is difficult to extract. Carson estimates that
>>>>>>     criminals can get $15 to $20 per cable at a scrap yard. "They're not
>>>>>>   making a
>>>>>>     significant amount of money," he said. "They're not going to be
>>>>>> sailing on a
>>>>>>     yacht anywhere."
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     Still, the more cables the thieves can steal, the more they can cash
>>>>>> in. At
>>>>>>     $20 a cable, 20 stolen cables could fetch $400.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>     The problem for the charging companies is that it’s much costlier to
>>>>>> replace
>>>>>>     cables. In Minneapolis, where cables have been clipped at city-owned
>>>>>>   charging
>>>>>>     stations, it costs about $1,000 to replace just one cable, said Joe
>>>>>> Laurin,
>>>>>>     project manager in the Department of Public Works.
>>>>>     
>>>>>     Sounds like you'd want to strongly discourage this particular theft...
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>   Sounds like whoever’s charging $1000 a cable may be the real crook
>>>   
>>>   My favorite EV moment was the idiot who we saw standing next to his car at
>>> the
>>>   mall, holding the charger the same way people hold the gas nozzle while
>>>   filling up. He was "pumping" electricity into his car, I guess.
>>
>> I bet a lot of people do that ...once.
> 
> This guy was still wearing a mask outdoors in 2024, so I suspect he'll be at
> it for a while.


So you're saying if you happen to be near someone outdoors that's a 
super spreader such as yourself a mask isn't going to help?  Because it 
sounds like this entire thread is you promoting the ignorance that is 
the GOP.  Hope this helps.