Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 04:14:40 -0500
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
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On 6/21/24 12:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v52n7s$2v630$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/20/24 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v52ki8$2qv7o$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/19/24 9:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Machine gun:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
>>>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
>>>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the
>>>>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a
>>>>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks
>>>>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a
>>>>>> separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly
>>>>>> says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds with
>>>>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
>>>>>> function of the trigger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That
>>>>> said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the
>>>>> equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It
>>>>> isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like
>>>>> one. I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks
>>>>> but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in
>>>>> writing the original act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump
>>>>> stock.
>>>>>
>>>> Both still require the same action. A single trigger pull, with
>>>> constant pressure.
>>>
>>> Which isn't the standard under the law. The law's standard is a "single
>>> function of the trigger". As I said above, if you shoot 100 rounds with
>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
>>> function of the trigger.
>>>
>>> A semi-auto rifle physically can't fire more than one round with a
>>> single function of the trigger. It's impossible for a semi-auto rifle to
>>> meet the definition of "machine gun" under the NFA.
>>
>> You keep glossing over the fact that both machine guns and bump stocks
>> require the same action.
> 
> No, I'm focusing on the one thing that legally matters: a single
> function of the trigger. 


Sure, because you're lying.  It "legally matters" to a corrupt Supreme 
Court that is in service to the gun lobby.


It's literally impossible for a semi-auto rifle
> to fire more than one round with a single function of the trigger. The
> trigger mechanism must complete a full cycle of function for every round
> that leaves the barrel.