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On 6/29/24 12:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since 
>>>>>>> been done, but
>>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and 
>>>>>>> admitted the
>>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a 
>>>>>>> hoax. I have
>>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
>>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored 
>>>>>> it, or
>>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high
>>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had
>>>>>> pretty low morals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making
>>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
>>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
>>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to 
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never 
>>>>>> forget
>>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the 
>>>>>> modern
>>>>>> politics of that era.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those
>>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
>>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew growing
>>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
>>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put
>>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget
>>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
>>>>> leaving school.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
>>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them.
>>>>
>>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so 
>>>> obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently 
>>>> oppose it.
>>>
>>>
>>> We don't need statues to learn history.
>>
>> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it...
> 
> Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are fine 
> people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the tongue 
> ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict him on 
> such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.


None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence.