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On 6/30/24 11:29 AM, moviePig wrote:
> On 6/30/2024 6:55 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 6/29/24 12:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since 
>>>>>>>>> been done, but
>>>>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and 
>>>>>>>>> admitted the
>>>>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was 
>>>>>>>>> a hoax. I have
>>>>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
>>>>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored 
>>>>>>>> it, or
>>>>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a 
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both 
>>>>>>>> sides had
>>>>>>>> pretty low morals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments 
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
>>>>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
>>>>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need 
>>>>>>>> to look
>>>>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never 
>>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for 
>>>>>>>> the modern
>>>>>>>> politics of that era.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of 
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
>>>>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew 
>>>>>>> growing
>>>>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
>>>>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues 
>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people 
>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
>>>>>>> leaving school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
>>>>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so 
>>>>>> obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides 
>>>>>> vehemently oppose it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't need statues to learn history.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it...
>>>
>>> Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are 
>>> fine people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the 
>>> tongue ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict 
>>> him on such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.
>>
>> None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence.
> 
> The fact is that even if there were a video of Trump saying "Nazis are 
> fine people" (which, afaik, there isn't) it would beggar plausibility.


He said there are fine people on both sides.  Why don't you get what the 
discussion is about?