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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 12:16:11 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Approximately 300,000 km/s With Respect To What? Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <v6pdg9$2k01g$1@dont-email.me> <v6qssk$2vb8b$1@dont-email.me> <lfer0bF3dlmU1@mid.individual.net> <v708nu$3mln$1@dont-email.me> <lfjtovFqneaU1@mid.individual.net> <v72oo9$ko8j$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <v72oo9$ko8j$1@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 46 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!tr1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:16:09 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 2309 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17e25b75d7da4d2e$79366$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 2721 W dniu 15.07.2024 o 11:05, Mikko pisze: > On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > >> Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko: >>> On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said: >>> >>>> Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko: >>>>> On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said: >>>>> >>>>>> Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what? >>>>> >>>>> Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with >>>>> respect >>>>> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the >>>>> reference that >>>>> is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >>>>> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with >>>>> restpect to >>>>> Earth surface at the place of the measurement. >>>>> >>>> >>>> 'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having >>>> velocity zero'. >>> >>> Yes, that is what the word means. >>> >>>> But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which >>>> the object does not move. >>> >>> That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in >>> respect to >>> itself. >>> >> >> Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all >> observers regard themselves as non-moving. > > That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an > observer > often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. But we can announce he is just a stupid crank, not understanding the ingenious concepts of our magnificient gurus - and ignore him. Praise The Holy Symmetry!