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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:04:32 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Space-time interval (2) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <YqTjbAPdSf8P-veYFHQCI8eskLU@jntp> <v9dmer$3dtvr$3@dont-email.me> <3lzcd1NKCT13xkV8yvlh8oaa3Mg@jntp> <v9fdeg$3rh2a$1@dont-email.me> <jBxUcP6BzIhx3lL1WyQctHmm7jo@jntp> <v9g6ij$3vsfg$1@dont-email.me> <AVa827R_LOez7mc5Ad3CT6GyhiA@jntp> <327c4ebc77dc16239ac38f00b508451b@www.novabbs.com> <sqw3zTfcSZX8ZFqoADa2xq0VXC4@jntp> <v9j1v6$j43n$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <v9j1v6$j43n$1@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 64 Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news.neodome.net!feeder2.feed.ams11.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:04:32 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 3554 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17ebb0fa82902697$331356$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 3914 W dniu 14.08.2024 o 21:53, Paul.B.Andersen pisze: > Den 14.08.2024 00:42, skrev Richard Hachel: >> >> I just explained to you the synchronization used by GPS. > > You have no idea of how the GPS SV-clocks are kept synchronous. > >> Abstract synchronization, but interesting to be able to use a >> universal present time plan (which does not exist in nature). > > Quite. > The "universal present time plan", namely > the "Coordinated Universal Time" or "Temps Universel Coordonné", > short UTC (not CUT or TUC - a compromise) > is indeed a theoretical time defined by humans. > ("It does not exist in nature", Good grief! :-D) > > That it is coordinated simply means that UTC is the same at any point > in the non rotating Earth centred frame of reference (ECI-frame). > UTC's rate is defined by stationary clocks (as defined by SI) on > the geoid. UTC is 12.00 when the mean sun is in the meridian > at Greenwich. > > You seem to think that what you call "a universal present time plan" > has something to do with GPS. But UTC was created January 1, 1960, > before the GPS. > > The UTC was nothing new, before that was Greenwich Mean Time, GMT. > GMT was the time shown by the pendulum clock at Greenwich, > which was kept in sync with the mean solar day, and the second > was defined by the mean solar day. > The GMT was used from the 19th century. The word "coordinated" > was not used, but at the time of Newton's absolute time, everyone > thought it obvious that GMT was the same everywhere. > > The only way to navigate across the oceans at that time (and until > recently) was by celestial navigation. That is, by measuring the angular > height of a celestial body, usually the sun, with a sextant, and > via tables (made by the British Admiralty) and the time determine > the position. And the time in the tables is GMT. So the navigator > had to have a clock synchronous with GMT. Since the sun moves > 1 minute of arc in 15 seconds, an error of 15 seconds from GMT > will give an error of 1 minute of arc on the Earth, which is one > nautical mile. If the clock was 1 minute off GMT, the error would > be 4 nautical miles, which would be acceptable in most cases. > > To be in the middle of the Pacific at the 19th century and have > a clock synchronous with GMT within few minutes was no simple task, > but that's another (and long) story. > > The point is: > Universal time and synchronous clocks have been used for centuries! > > And you claim that clock's in Oslo and Paris can't be synchronous! > In 2024! Well, your idiot guru has invented this absurd in 1905, quite a long time ago, but idiots like you are making it lasting. >