Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:38:30 +0200
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Subject: Re: Yes, t'=t in GPS.
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W dniu 13.09.2024 o 09:37, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am Samstag000007, 07.09.2024 um 09:49 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 07.09.2024 o 09:26, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>> Am Freitag000006, 06.09.2024 um 12:22 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 06.09.2024 o 12:16, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>> Am Donnerstag000005, 05.09.2024 um 10:26 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 05.09.2024 o 08:57, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000004, 04.09.2024 um 23:10 schrieb Python:
>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 23:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 21:30, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 20:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 19:48, gharnagel pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:09:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> St. John the Divine was warning Warped Wozniak, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bald-faced liar:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> St John (fuck his absurd threats anyway) won't
>>>>>>>>>>> help,  t'=t in GPS,  at least if by t, t' we
>>>>>>>>>>> mean clock  indications.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How such t and t' are clock indications.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to the own definition of
>>>>>>>>> your [Einstein] - time is "what clocks
>>>>>>>>> indicate",
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't be lazy, Wozniak, read! "time is "what clocks indicate" is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is wrong!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time does not depend on clocks, because clocks are manmade 
>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they? And so is time, except that it is
>>>>>> an abstract.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrist-watches, for instance, are tiny machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> But those machines are made by human beings.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would make no sense at all to assume, that nature would produce 
>>>>> wrist-watches or cares, whether or not humans do.
>>>>
>>>>> Therefore time is not related to watches!
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Therefore time is not related to nature.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Physics is a natural science.
>>
>> There is nothing natural in physics or any
>> other domain of science. And time is not a
>> natural entity - neither UTimeC, nor TimeAI,
>> nor any of zone times nor any other time
>> existing.
> 
> 
> All natural sciences (like e.g. biology or cosmology) observe natural 
> things, 

Are the measurement devices natural?


> The realm within our influence is not really science, but - for 
> instance- engineering.

For centuries physics is spreading that absurd
crap of being a domain of a Higher Force outside
of the  influence of - physicists. Time to grow
up, maybe.

>> You've never observed a time, you've
>> just imagined it. Sorry.
> 
> Well, possibly...
> 
> BUT: we observe natural phenomena, which have a certain frequency.

No. We observe natural phenomena. Assigning
"certain frequency" to them - is absolutely
"our influence".


> For instance, we observe day and night or the rythims of the seasons.
> 
> These are natural phenomena and indicate, that nature does in fact use 
> something, what we humans call 'time'.

No, they dont indicate anything like that.
And what we humans call "time" is - what
clocks indicate. Unrelated to nature at
all.