Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:18:18 +0200
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Subject: Re: Yes, t'=t in GPS.
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W dniu 14.09.2024 o 08:37, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am Freitag000013, 13.09.2024 um 10:38 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 13.09.2024 o 09:37, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>> Am Samstag000007, 07.09.2024 um 09:49 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 07.09.2024 o 09:26, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>> Am Freitag000006, 06.09.2024 um 12:22 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 06.09.2024 o 12:16, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000005, 05.09.2024 um 10:26 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>> W dniu 05.09.2024 o 08:57, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000004, 04.09.2024 um 23:10 schrieb Python:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 23:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 21:30, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2024 à 20:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 04.09.2024 o 19:48, gharnagel pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:09:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> St. John the Divine was warning Warped Wozniak, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bald-faced liar:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> St John (fuck his absurd threats anyway) won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help,  t'=t in GPS,  at least if by t, t' we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean clock  indications.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How such t and t' are clock indications.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> According to the own definition of
>>>>>>>>>>> your [Einstein] - time is "what clocks
>>>>>>>>>>> indicate",
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't be lazy, Wozniak, read! "time is "what clocks indicate" is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is wrong!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time does not depend on clocks, because clocks are manmade 
>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are they? And so is time, except that it is
>>>>>>>> an abstract.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrist-watches, for instance, are tiny machines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But those machines are made by human beings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would make no sense at all to assume, that nature would 
>>>>>>> produce wrist-watches or cares, whether or not humans do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore time is not related to watches!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. Therefore time is not related to nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Physics is a natural science.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing natural in physics or any
>>>> other domain of science. And time is not a
>>>> natural entity - neither UTimeC, nor TimeAI,
>>>> nor any of zone times nor any other time
>>>> existing.
>>>
>>>
>>> All natural sciences (like e.g. biology or cosmology) observe natural 
>>> things, 
>>
>> Are the measurement devices natural?
> No
> 
>>
>>
>>> The realm within our influence is not really science, but - for 
>>> instance- engineering.
>>
>> For centuries physics is spreading that absurd
>> crap of being a domain of a Higher Force outside
>> of the  influence of - physicists. Time to grow
>> up, maybe.
> 
> Well, possibly time is now in the domaine of influence of physicists.

Clocks and time are  not  toy gadgets
for their cheerful games. Clocks and
time are too important to let some
religious maniacs play with them.




>> No, they dont indicate anything like that.
>> And what we humans call "time" is - what
>> clocks indicate. Unrelated to nature at
>> all.
> 
> No!!

Can we, humans - call "what clocks indicate"
with some word?
Can we, humans - call  that with the word
"time"?
And - do we need your permission for
that?

You can use whatever word you want for
your mystical you-dont-know-what, just
leave "time" alone, it already has
a meaning and it is important.