Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:09:55 +0100
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W dniu 28.10.2024 o 21:05, Python pisze:
> Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
>>> Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not "how things really are".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is "which word sequences are good ones".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
>>>>>> They're called scientific theories.
>>>>>
>>>>> If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms 
>>>>> of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics 
>>>>> (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct
>>>>
>>>> But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
>>>> There are just local optimums, and they're
>>>> floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
>>>> good in 100 years).
>>>
>>> We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that 
>>> they are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine 
>>> language" in your brains.
>>
>> Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
>> "more complete". It's just bigger and more
>> powerful.
> 
> Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
> it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
> "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as "decompiled" by 
> humans from their own introspection.


So, there is no reason to care about their views.
Introspection? Of - what? Apart of a human brain
nothing deals with words, neither mathematical
way nor any other way.


>> And so is our knowledge - compared
>> to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
>> no "complete" state it's targetting.
> 
> Sure. Krivine makes fun of physicists looking for the "theory
> of everything" or "the language of God".
> 
>>>>> (because evolution made sur they do)
>>>>
>>>> In some centuries  [SR] will be
>>>> only remembered as an antipattern of "how
>>>> and why you should never make a scientific
>>>> theory or any description of anything".
>>>
>>> Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well 
>>> with this line of thinking.
>>
>> So is marxism-leninism.
> 
> I do think so too. But I'm marxist :-)
> 
>> At least - as long as
>> its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
>> of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
>> about the process of putting words together.
> 
> Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
> Preventing any kind of communication with others.


It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
everythibg about everything.
For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
with you.
That's how the  DK effect works.

> 
> You seem to have decided at some point in your life that everyone
> on Earth were producing non-sense except you 

What you're projecting at me is exactly what The
Shit has taught yourself and your fellow idiots.

But, no, the followers of The Shit are   no way
"everyone except me".