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Subject: Re: Why a time of the real world must be galilean
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W dniu 15.12.2024 o 10:53, Python pisze:
> Le 12/12/2024 à 04:37, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 22:51, Python pisze:
>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 22:18, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 21:56, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 21:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 20:17, Python pisze:
>>>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 08:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>> W dniu 10.12.2024 o 20:45, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Le 10/12/2024 à 20:20, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you practically check your "t = t'" equations for 
>>>>>>>>>>> clocks standing next to each other?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read the numbers they display and I compare them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then for distant mutually at rest clocks with no
>>>>>>>>>>> gravity involved?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sad. You don't. You can't. We can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No you can't either. Sorry, There is a small technical detail: 
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> "distant clocks" are not moving wrt each
>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>> How do you ensure that? By assuming the
>>>>>>>> condition a priori;and you can do it because
>>>>>>>> you're only applying your procedure
>>>>>>>> in your gedanken. Am I incorrect ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are. I put two clocks at the extremity of a rod.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, sure - "distant" clocks  at the
>>>>>> extremity of the rod - very practical
>>>>>> indeed, isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   This is quite
>>>>>>> reasonable to assume they are at rest wrt to each other, isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. Take 2 bodies - one orbitting the other.
>>>>>> Join them with a rod, do you secure their relative
>>>>>> immobility ? Yeah, you imagined and insisted
>>>>>> Gdańsk and Warsaw aren't moving wrt each other. You're
>>>>>> such an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relative speed between Gdansk and Warsaw then?
>>>>
>>>> Would have to calculate.
>>>
>>> LOL!!!
>>
>> OK, if you ask.
>>  From wiki - Gdańsk is 54°20′51″N 18°38′43″E,
>> Warsaw is 52°13′56″N 21°00′30″E.
>> Assuming the average Earth radius  6368km, Gdańsk
>> is 3713.3km distant from Earth axis, Warsaw is
>> 3901.5km. That gives 972.1km/h and 1021.4km/h
>> of linear speed. The difference is 49.3km/h.
>> Good enough for you as the first estimation,
>> poor stinker?
>> Sure, the velocities are not quite parallel;
>> the final result will be slightly bigger.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> You're only believing [into] a great
>>>>>>>> practical procedure - because your is pumping you with gedanken 
>>>>>>>> fairy
>>>>>>>> tales where it works fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. If such a procedure would fail it could be checked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How could it fail if you  have never used it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No magic, and if gravity could not be ignored in a given 
>>>>>>> practical setup 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, where, precisely, was your [method]
>>>>>> applied. In practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked for yours
>>>>
>>>> And I asked where, precisely, was your idiocy
>>>> applied. In practice.
>>>> No answer? Of course,
>>>
>>> Many labs where distant events are involved and high time resolution 
>>> is > needed, inside CERN detectors for instance.
>>
>> The source?
> 
> http://ttc.web.cern.ch/LEB00Sync.pdf

But the document is signed "Varela, J", not
"Einstein, A", poor stinker. And it's definitely
far, far, far more elaborate than the "masterpiece"
of your idiot guru.