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Subject: Re: Why a time of the real world must be galilean
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W dniu 15.12.2024 o 13:05, Python pisze:
> Le 15/12/2024 à 12:00, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 15.12.2024 o 10:53, Python pisze:
>>> Le 12/12/2024 à 04:37, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 22:51, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 22:18, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 21:56, Python pisze:
>>>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 21:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>> W dniu 11.12.2024 o 20:17, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Le 11/12/2024 à 08:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 10.12.2024 o 20:45, Python pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 10/12/2024 à 20:20, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you practically check your "t = t'" equations for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks standing next to each other?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read the numbers they display and I compare them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then for distant mutually at rest clocks with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravity involved?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sad. You don't. You can't. We can.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No you can't either. Sorry, There is a small technical detail: 
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> "distant clocks" are not moving wrt each
>>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>>> How do you ensure that? By assuming the
>>>>>>>>>> condition a priori;and you can do it because
>>>>>>>>>> you're only applying your procedure
>>>>>>>>>> in your gedanken. Am I incorrect ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are. I put two clocks at the extremity of a rod.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, sure - "distant" clocks  at the
>>>>>>>> extremity of the rod - very practical
>>>>>>>> indeed, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   This is quite
>>>>>>>>> reasonable to assume they are at rest wrt to each other, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. Take 2 bodies - one orbitting the other.
>>>>>>>> Join them with a rod, do you secure their relative
>>>>>>>> immobility ? Yeah, you imagined and insisted
>>>>>>>> Gdańsk and Warsaw aren't moving wrt each other. You're
>>>>>>>> such an idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the relative speed between Gdansk and Warsaw then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would have to calculate.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!!!
>>>>
>>>> OK, if you ask.
>>>>  From wiki - Gdańsk is 54°20′51″N 18°38′43″E,
>>>> Warsaw is 52°13′56″N 21°00′30″E.
>>>> Assuming the average Earth radius  6368km, Gdańsk
>>>> is 3713.3km distant from Earth axis, Warsaw is
>>>> 3901.5km. That gives 972.1km/h and 1021.4km/h
>>>> of linear speed. The difference is 49.3km/h.
>>>> Good enough for you as the first estimation,
>>>> poor stinker?
>>>> Sure, the velocities are not quite parallel;
>>>> the final result will be slightly bigger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're only believing [into] a great
>>>>>>>>>> practical procedure - because your is pumping you with 
>>>>>>>>>> gedanken fairy
>>>>>>>>>> tales where it works fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. If such a procedure would fail it could be checked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How could it fail if you  have never used it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No magic, and if gravity could not be ignored in a given 
>>>>>>>>> practical setup 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, where, precisely, was your [method]
>>>>>>>> applied. In practice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked for yours
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I asked where, precisely, was your idiocy
>>>>>> applied. In practice.
>>>>>> No answer? Of course,
>>>>>
>>>>> Many labs where distant events are involved and high time 
>>>>> resolution is > needed, inside CERN detectors for instance.
>>>>
>>>> The source?
>>>
>>> http://ttc.web.cern.ch/LEB00Sync.pdf
>>
>> But the document is signed "Varela, J", not
>> "Einstein, A".
> 
> If you expected a paper on synchonization at LHC to be written by Albert 
> Einstein

I didn't, but for sure I was expecting stinker
Python to lie that the synchronization for LHC
has been provided by his idiot guru.



> The practical implementation of a theoretical procedure 


It is not, of course. It's fibre, the speed of a
signal in fibre is much lesser than c and - well
- obviously depending on the speed   of the fibre.
Just one of the differences, poor stinker.


Still convinced that Gdańsk and Warsaw
are not in relative move? Well, subtracting
their velocities doesn't give 0 in either
your galilean nonsense or in your einsteinian
idiocy. Do you have your own Python's
tranformations for subtracting them a way
giving 0?