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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:39:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Newton: Photon falling from h meters increase its energy. Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <4af374770bb67b6951ef19c75b35fbad@www.novabbs.com> <1819b35cb5854fb7$83258$1308629$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17a125a3e75f42ff91ef08afdab4e0a9@www.novabbs.com> <1819b79e1aa58c97$89507$1329657$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <9e55d347a16ad439d5b2e75440ae1a6d@www.novabbs.com> <6782d853$0$28064$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <c2fdc44dd6b77812b78bd871c9bde8f3@www.novabbs.com> <w0UgP.25983$jpv6.20667@fx14.ams4> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <w0UgP.25983$jpv6.20667@fx14.ams4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 64 Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!tr3.iad1.usenetexpress.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 19:39:34 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 3213 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <181a093f8de41648$84535$1308629$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 3635 W dniu 12.01.2025 o 19:42, Paul B. Andersen pisze: > Den 12.01.2025 02:31, skrev rhertz: >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 20:45:08 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> >>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 18:43:41 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>> >>>>> W dniu 11.01.2025 o 19:10, rhertz pisze: >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:25:42 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> W dniu 11.01.2025 o 18:16, rhertz pisze: >>>>>>>> Under Newton, a photon has gravitational mass m, for which it's >>>>>>>> affected >>>>>>>> by gravity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Under which Newton? Do you mean Newton's >>>>>>> optics? It was abandoned in XVIIIth century. >>>>>> >>>>>> Von Soldner's Newton (since 1801) >>>>> >>>>> Newton's optics was abandoned, if not in XVIIIth >>>>> century than not very long after 1801. >>>> >>>> And recovered by Einstein in 1911, with a paper WHERE HE MAKE >>>> AFFIRMATIONS about gravitational mass of energy. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself WHY 1960 Pound-Rebka paper had the title "Apparent weight >>>> of photons" and later, before his death, Pound wrote his memoirs >>>> "Weighting photons". >>> >>> All entirely correct, >>> -in the Newtonian approximation to general relativity-. >>> >>> As yet we have not yet encountered circumstances in which >>> the Newtonian approximation is not good enough >>> to calculate the relativistic red shift, >>> >>> Jan >> >> >> >> Then you accept what Einstein affirmed in his 1911 paper: "Energy has >> gravitational mass". >> >> So much gobbledygook in such old paper just to conceal that he was using >> Planck to calculate a shift of gh/c^2 and also m=E/c^2. >> >> And 50 years later you had Pound embarrassing himself by using an >> eye-catcher title on his paper "Does photons have mass?", just to forget >> to expand that title within his 1960 paper! Rebka was only his slave, a >> graduate student who depended on Pound to get his PhD in 1961. >> >> Shame, scam, crooks, hoax, fraud, etc. This is what relativism is full >> of. > > Photons have no rest mass. > > According to Newton, the acceleration of a particle with mass m is: And as photons have no mass - according to Newton you can't say anything about them. Your "falsification" is a sorry lie, as usual.