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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 22:04:00 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Challenge for Paul; Probe that with Mercury ds^2>0 and the solution is spacelike Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <dff62668d45cf79dded21ff70c788668@www.novabbs.com> <bSU98M6KIUBzLsrpIgbePkDLQD8@jntp> <9b43c59dd3e9a654aaa9c23ee5b0b95e@www.novabbs.com> <9c1871f8c397da587d595bc8e844b0b5@www.novabbs.com> <392ae152cf787481b6c6750a9ccf6aec@www.novabbs.com> <eac35ed43e6a17eb45161ae66d13da1e@www.novabbs.com> <_t6tP.1637$jgOa.806@fx17.ams4> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <_t6tP.1637$jgOa.806@fx17.ams4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 54 Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!feed.abavia.com!abe007.abavia.com!abe002.abavia.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:04:00 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 2829 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <18256953e80c2c0f$1863$1481196$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> W dniu 18.02.2025 o 21:59, Paul B. Andersen pisze: > Den 17.02.2025 22:29, skrev rhertz: >> Line element ds in the Schwarzschild metric(describing spacetime around >> a massive object like the Sun): >> >> ds² = -(1 - 2GM/c² r) c² dt² + 1/(1 - 2GM/c² r) dr² + r² dɸ² >> > > So you have realised that it was a blunder to think you could > use the metric for flat spacetime in an environment where geodesics > are ellipses. > > ---------------------- > > It is very obvious that you don't know what a metric is, so > I will give a short lesson about the most elementary concepts > in spacetime geometry: > > In physics, an "event" is a point in space at a time, > or a point in spacetime. > > The metric can be used to find the spacetime interval between > two events, or the spacetime interval along a path between two events. > > It is quite common to use s² as the interval, but it is more 'natural' > to call the interval s, so that's what I will do. > > 's' consists of two components, a temporal and a spatial. > If we call the temporal component cT and the spatial component D, > we have: s² = −c²T² + D² > > If D > cT then S is spacelike (s² > 0) D/T > c > If D = cT then S is lightlike (s² = 0) D/T = c > If D < cT then S is timelike (s² < 0) D/T < c > > Two events on the worldline of a massive object will always be > separated by a timelike interval, because the object's speed D/T > is always less than c, and D < cT. > > In the latter case it is common to set s = -cτ, and > the Schwarzschild metric becomes: > > c²dτ² = (1 - 2GM/c²r)c²dt² - 1/(1 - 2GM/c²r)dr² - r² dɸ² > > You can see this metric applied on satellites here: > https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf > > (I know I am an idiot who bother to try to teach you > what you never will learn.) Nope. You're just an idiot desperately wanting to impress someone with your "knowledge".