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W dniu 06.03.2025 o 12:01, J. J. Lodder pisze:
> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 14:13:25 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Den 04.03.2025 18:24, skrev rhertz:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 13:35:41 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> The famous pion decay into two photons prove that mass can
>>>>> indeed be converted to energy (kinetic energy of mass-less particles).
>>>>>
>>>>> In SI units the equation in the rest frame of the pion becomes:
>>>>>   mc? = 2 h/f
>>>>>
>>>>> where m is the mass of the pion in kg, c is the speed of light in m/s
>>>>> h = 6.62607015e–34 kg?m?/s, f = the frequency 1/c
>>>>>
>>>>> SI definition of 1 kg = (h/6.62607015e–34) s/m?
>>>>>
>>>>> So we have  kg?m?/s? on both sides
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is true that mass can be converted energy,
>>>
>>> Which is experimentally confirmed.
>>>
>>>>> then the Equation E = mc? is true by definition!
>>>
>>> See Jan's post.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But c? is only a proportionality coefficient necessary
>>>>> to balance the units in the SI system.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a no-brainer to believe in the conversion of mass into energy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the last couple of millenniums, or even longer than that, and even
>>>> before the CONSENSUS that heat was a kind of energy (early XIX century),
>>>> thousands/millions of inquisitive minds wondered HOW COME wood in a fire
>>>> CONSUMED to ashes, with most of its volume disappearing, while heat
>>>> (radiant, by convection or conduction) was generated. The first
>>>> water-based engine/toy was invented about 2,000 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> The heated water disappeared (mass), converting the opposite flows into
>>>> mechanical work (energy). Ancient Romans enjoyed this gadget, and I'm
>>>> sure that many tried to find a practical use of this effect.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oqn2f/
>>>> til_the_ancient_romans_had_steam_engines_the/
>>>
>>> Why are you diverting the attention from the issue
>>> by telling us that the romans believed the mass of
>>> the water disappeared when it was heated?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I've been questioned here, for years, is that E=mc^2 is A FUCKING
>>>> CONVENTION, and that Einstein committed FRAUD in his FUCKING 1905 paper,
>>>> using circular reasoning. After a few years, seal physicists applauded
>>>> this simple equation (NOT PROVEN ONCE THEORETICALLY), and hyped the
>>>> image of Einstein as the genius of geniuses.
>>>
>>> Of course you can't prove theoretically that mass can
>>> be converted to energy and vice versa.
>>>
>>> You can however prove that it follows from
>>> some assumptions.
>>> Einstein's derivation is a thought experiment,
>>> so of course it is circular.
>>> He says: If we assume the postulates of SR and Maxwell's
>>> theory are correct, then it follows that E = ? m.
>>>
>>> Now we know that his conclusion was correct, even
>>> if his derivation may be questioned.
>>>
>>> Because now  it is proved experimentally!
>>>
>>> When a pion decays, the mass of the pion disappear completely.
>>> The photons are massless 'pure' kinetic energy.
>>>
>>> Do you dispute this?
>>>
>>> This is what the equation E =  mc? expresses.
>>>
>>> But yes, the form of the equation is a convention since
>>> the choice of units is a convention.
>>> With different choice of units the equation may be different.
>>>
>>> Like E = m
>>>
>>> But it expresses the same: energy can be converted to mass
>>> and vice versa.
>>>
>>> And that is not a convention, it is a fact.
>>
>> I question your assertion that E = mc? work both ways (mc? = E). This IS
>> NOT AN EQUATION! This is a 1-way expression, which doesn't work
>> reversing terms positions.
>>
>> And don't come with the crap of particle physics.
> 
> Do have a look at a gamma ray cascade,
> from an energetic cosmic ray for example.
> (already discovered before WWII)
> 
> You see energetic gamma rays creating energetic electron-positron pairs,
> which produced more gammas, which produce more pairs, and so on,
> until you have a particle shower that is easily detected,


And then an idiot can explain you that it shows
e=mc^2. Or that it shows the advantage of communism
over rotten capitalism. No it doesn't.

I don't have anything against E=mc^2, but it's not
any fact, it's some interpretation.