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W dniu 21.03.2025 o 23:59, rhertz pisze:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:27:40 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 21.03.2025 o 23:17, rhertz pisze:
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:43:45 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Den 21.03.2025 00:33, skrev rhertz:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:24:30 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 19.03.2025 22:38, skrev rhertz:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A normal clock with rate as defined by SI which is in GPS orbit
>>>>>> will according to GR measure a solar day to be
>>>>>>    86400*(1+4.4647e-10) s = 86400s + 38.575μs
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note this!
>>>> A normal clock in GPS orbit will measure the duration of
>>>> one solar day to be  86400 s + 38.575 μs
>>>> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>>>>
>>>> A clock on the ground will measure the duration of one day
>>>> to be 86400 s.
>>>> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>>>>
>>>> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem since
>>>> you you missed this _very essential_ point!
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your blunder was that you didn't realise that a "day" measured
>>>>>> by the clock in the SV is 38.575μs longer that a day measured by
>>>>>> a clock on the ground. This is THE central point.
>>>>
>>>> And you repeat the blunder! ROFL
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a real GPS satellite the reference oscillator is adjusted down
>>>>>> by the factor (1-4.4647e-10) so it will measure the number of second
>>>>>> during a solar day to be (86400s + 38.575μs)*(1-4.4647e-10) = 86400s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it will stay in sync with the ground clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400
>>>>>>> sec
>>>>>>> (1 day).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clock on GPS SV: accumulates 883,871,999,605 pulses in 86400 sec (1
>>>>>>> day).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It accumulates 883872000000 pulses in (86400s + 38.575μs) (1 day)
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nice analysis, Paul. Well redacted and with many details.
>>>>
>>>> If you had read it, you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself. Again!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only THAT YOU FUCKED IT UP, AS YOU USUALLY DO!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The master TCXO clock on the GPS SV have (according to the 
>>>>> narrative of
>>>>> 1977 relativists), TWO OPERATING MODES:
>>>>>
>>>>> M1: Working at 10,230,000.000000 Hz (as good physics dictates)
>>>>> M2: Working at 10,229,999.995430 Hz (as relativists claim it to be
>>>>> necessary)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your BLUNDER is that working in M2, the onboard counter has LESS 
>>>>> COUNTS,
>>>>> NOT MORE, after the 86,400 sec/day.
>>>>
>>>> As I explained it in the posting you now are responding to,
>>>> the adjusted clock will tick out 84400 shorted seconds
>>>> during one day which is (86400s + 38.575μs).
>>>>
>>>> This means that it will stay in sync with the clock on the ground.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, your count is incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 
>>>>> sec.
>>>>>
>>>>> Working on M2 mode, clock on the GPS SV accumulates 883,871,999,608
>>>>> pulses in 86400 sec. as measured IN THE SV. So, the count gives 
>>>>> (86400s
>>>>> - 38.575μs). It's a LOWER LOCAL VALUE within the GPS SV.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What relativists claim, because they are IDIOTS, is that such 
>>>>> difference
>>>>> DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR when PERCEIVED FROM EARTH (Ground level). And 
>>>>> they
>>>>> celebrate that due to relativistic corrections, the L1 frequency 
>>>>> REACHES
>>>>> EARTH with an increase in frequency of Δf/f = -4.4647E-10.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such relativistic correction, idiots claim, allow that the L1 carrier
>>>>> emitted from the SV at 1,575,419,999.29622 Hz COULD REACH EARTH AT
>>>>> EXACTLY
>>>>> 1,575,420,000.000 Hz = 154 x 10,230,000.000000 Hz.
>>>>
>>>> You still don't get it, do you?
>>>>
>>>> The frequency of the transmitted L1 is 1575.4199992966223 MHz.
>>>> During one day, which in the satellite is 86400.000038575 s,
>>>> the number of transmitted cycles is:
>>>>    1575419999.2966223*86400.000038575 = 136116288000000 cycles
>>>>
>>>> These cycles are reaching the ground during one day, which on
>>>> the ground is 86400 s. This means that the frequency on the ground
>>>> is 136116288000000/86400s = 1575420000.0 Hz = 1575.42 MHz
>>>>
>>>> All the pulses that are emitted during one day, are reaching
>>>> the ground during one day. No pulses DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that clear enough? The act of detuning the SV TCXO causes a LOSS OF
>>>>> 38.5 usec
>>>>
>>>> In the following an "SI-clock" is a clock which counts seconds as
>>>> defined by SI.
>>>>
>>>> Read this:
>>>> ------------
>>>> GR predicts that an SI-clock on the geoid will measure a mean solar day
>>>> to last the proper time 86400 s
>>>>
>>>> GR predicts that an SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day
>>>> to last the proper time 86400*(1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s
>>>>
>>>> If you knew this, then all the mysteries that confuse you so
>>>> much will go away. But you will never learn.
>>>>
>>>> You can kick and scream and curse as much as you want, it is a fact
>>>> that this is what GR predicts.
>>>>
>>>> As you know was this prediction of GR confirmed for the first time
>>>> in 1977, and in the 48 years since then it is confirmed many thousands
>>>> times every day, by the simple fact that the GPS works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> on the orbiting clock. But FROM EARTH, it's perceived AS IF THAT
>>>>> DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN CANCELLED, because Schwarzschild advised so.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know what the Schwarzschild metric predicts.
>>>>
>>>> I do: https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be confused about the values of time and frequency. Two sides of
>>>>> the same coin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is the truth? Relativity IS FALSE, A FALLACIOUS 
>>>>> PSEUDOSCIENCE, AND
>>>>> THE ORBITING CLOCK WORKS ONLY IN THE M1 MODE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, as Maciej always say, t'=t.
>>>>
>>>> And you agree with the smart guy Maciej?
>>>>
>>>> You must be right, then. ROFL
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, hold on with your butthurt, or try some cream to easy the 
>>>>> pain.
>>>>
>>>> It is not my butt that hurts. It is my stomach.
>>>
>>>
>>> Imbecile, to fulfill the prophecy of your cretin pagan god, the GPS SV
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