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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- COMPLETE PROOF Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:41:11 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <191218123f5c1b2337c116736b05c8ee64115128@i2pn2.org> References: <vo6420$3mpmf$1@dont-email.me> <vo7be3$jug$1@dont-email.me> <vo7r8d$36ra$3@dont-email.me> <vo9ura$i5ha$1@dont-email.me> <voahc5$m3dj$8@dont-email.me> <vocdo9$14kc0$1@dont-email.me> <vocpl7$16c4e$4@dont-email.me> <vof56u$1n9k0$1@dont-email.me> <vofnj2$1qh2r$2@dont-email.me> <vohrmi$29f46$1@dont-email.me> <vojs0e$2oikq$4@dont-email.me> <vokdha$2rcqi$1@dont-email.me> <vom1fr$34osr$1@dont-email.me> <von0iq$3d619$1@dont-email.me> <vondj5$3ffar$1@dont-email.me> <vopke4$3v10c$1@dont-email.me> <vore4m$9ddo$1@dont-email.me> <vpkq6t$22eec$1@dont-email.me> <vpl0h8$23vks$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 23:41:11 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1790321"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <vpl0h8$23vks$4@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2992 Lines: 47 On 2/25/25 1:01 PM, olcott wrote: > On 2/25/2025 10:13 AM, Mikko wrote: >> Althogh the subject line has the words "COMPLETE PROOF" there is no >> proof or pointer to proof below. >> > > > typedef void (*ptr)(); > int HHH(ptr P); > > int DD() > { > int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); > if (Halt_Status) > HERE: goto HERE; > return Halt_Status; > } > > int main() > { > HHH(DD); > } > > The above does specify that DD simulated by HHH > cannot possibly terminate normally by reaching its > own "return" instruction. > > That this may be beyond your technical skill level. > is less than no rebuttal at all. > > Ignoring the code in main() seemed dishonest. > Since it isn't part of the problem, why is that? Thje question is about DD as a Turing Machine (eqquivalent), if the main scafolding is needed for your equivalence system, it isn't really part of the original problem. When converting the requirments from Turing Machines to your C Language version, the question being ask of the decider, is would the full program defined by the input (and it needs to be a full program) return to main when main directly calls it or not? The fact that you need to alter-is (and thus LIE) about the problem to be about HHH emulating the input, when the problem NEVER stated emulation, and especially not by a partial (and thus incorrrect) emulation, so you are just showing that you are just a liar.