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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of Civilization Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 12:49:49 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1958473383.752355311.660061.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <vfltbc$7ek$1@gal.iecc.com> <ASCTO.586560$1m96.217020@fx15.iad> <vfpc6g$a0p$1@gal.iecc.com> <B17UO.740251$_o_3.409662@fx17.iad> <GV9UO.301902$kxD8.146393@fx11.iad> <loct65F6l90U2@mid.individual.net> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <lodc4vF8rrjU1@mid.individual.net> <ddb44c1a-b458-5cce-b4d1-6258677f5621@example.net> <vft5ai$24n5h$1@dont-email.me> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> <log009Fm2poU1@mid.individual.net> <vfuo5h$2d5v5$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2024 20:49:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="45b02ddd81cf3a24e4ae5e3c5b66b23c"; logging-data="546353"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18HJqUqEPoeAX5NTdahg3mr" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.3.1 (iPad) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ifR7aCzq0dP/uTYudUEjTBktKKA= sha1:FvvZtaLFvEtA5+GH1R2nRERxcX0= Bytes: 2255 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On 31 Oct 2024 00:06:33 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> You might say civilization was alive and well in >> contemporary Europe, but it was vanishing in the Americas about a >> millennium ago. > > Civilization originated in Mesopotamia. I have a book in my shelf on a > generalist introduction to the archaeology of the earliest civilizations, > and it has a specific set of features that a society has to have to be > classed as a “civilization”: > > * Urbanization > * Division of labour > * Metalworking > * Writing > There are exceptions to all of these. For example, the Inca didn’t have writing. -- Pete