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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Electron size, shape and spin.Confusion and conflicts with Einstein's 1905 SR. 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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:27:40 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > W dniu 21.03.2025 o 23:17, rhertz pisze: >> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:43:45 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: >> >>> Den 21.03.2025 00:33, skrev rhertz: >>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:24:30 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Den 19.03.2025 22:38, skrev rhertz: >>>>> >>>>> A normal clock with rate as defined by SI which is in GPS orbit >>>>> will according to GR measure a solar day to be >>>>> 86400*(1+4.4647e-10) s = 86400s + 38.575μs >>>>> >>> >>> Note this! >>> A normal clock in GPS orbit will measure the duration of >>> one solar day to be 86400 s + 38.575 μs >>> These are seconds as defined by SI. >>> >>> A clock on the ground will measure the duration of one day >>> to be 86400 s. >>> These are seconds as defined by SI. >>> >>> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem since >>> you you missed this _very essential_ point! >>> >>>>> >>>>> Your blunder was that you didn't realise that a "day" measured >>>>> by the clock in the SV is 38.575μs longer that a day measured by >>>>> a clock on the ground. This is THE central point. >>> >>> And you repeat the blunder! ROFL >>> >>>>> >>>>> In a real GPS satellite the reference oscillator is adjusted down >>>>> by the factor (1-4.4647e-10) so it will measure the number of second >>>>> during a solar day to be (86400s + 38.575μs)*(1-4.4647e-10) = 86400s >>>>> >>>>> So it will stay in sync with the ground clock. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 >>>>>> sec >>>>>> (1 day). >>>>> >>>>> Right. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clock on GPS SV: accumulates 883,871,999,605 pulses in 86400 sec (1 >>>>>> day). >>>>> >>>>> It accumulates 883872000000 pulses in (86400s + 38.575μs) (1 day) >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> Nice analysis, Paul. Well redacted and with many details. >>> >>> If you had read it, you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself. Again! >>> >>>> >>>> Only THAT YOU FUCKED IT UP, AS YOU USUALLY DO! >>>> >>>> >>>> The master TCXO clock on the GPS SV have (according to the narrative of >>>> 1977 relativists), TWO OPERATING MODES: >>>> >>>> M1: Working at 10,230,000.000000 Hz (as good physics dictates) >>>> M2: Working at 10,229,999.995430 Hz (as relativists claim it to be >>>> necessary) >>>> >>>> >>>> Your BLUNDER is that working in M2, the onboard counter has LESS COUNTS, >>>> NOT MORE, after the 86,400 sec/day. >>> >>> As I explained it in the posting you now are responding to, >>> the adjusted clock will tick out 84400 shorted seconds >>> during one day which is (86400s + 38.575μs). >>> >>> This means that it will stay in sync with the clock on the ground. >>> >>>> >>>> So, your count is incorrect. >>>> >>>> >>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 sec. >>>> >>>> Working on M2 mode, clock on the GPS SV accumulates 883,871,999,608 >>>> pulses in 86400 sec. as measured IN THE SV. So, the count gives (86400s >>>> - 38.575μs). It's a LOWER LOCAL VALUE within the GPS SV. >>>> >>>> >>>> What relativists claim, because they are IDIOTS, is that such difference >>>> DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR when PERCEIVED FROM EARTH (Ground level). And they >>>> celebrate that due to relativistic corrections, the L1 frequency REACHES >>>> EARTH with an increase in frequency of Δf/f = -4.4647E-10. >>>> >>>> Such relativistic correction, idiots claim, allow that the L1 carrier >>>> emitted from the SV at 1,575,419,999.29622 Hz COULD REACH EARTH AT >>>> EXACTLY >>>> 1,575,420,000.000 Hz = 154 x 10,230,000.000000 Hz. >>> >>> You still don't get it, do you? >>> >>> The frequency of the transmitted L1 is 1575.4199992966223 MHz. >>> During one day, which in the satellite is 86400.000038575 s, >>> the number of transmitted cycles is: >>> 1575419999.2966223*86400.000038575 = 136116288000000 cycles >>> >>> These cycles are reaching the ground during one day, which on >>> the ground is 86400 s. This means that the frequency on the ground >>> is 136116288000000/86400s = 1575420000.0 Hz = 1575.42 MHz >>> >>> All the pulses that are emitted during one day, are reaching >>> the ground during one day. No pulses DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR. >>> >>>> >>>> Is that clear enough? The act of detuning the SV TCXO causes a LOSS OF >>>> 38.5 usec >>> >>> In the following an "SI-clock" is a clock which counts seconds as >>> defined by SI. >>> >>> Read this: >>> ------------ >>> GR predicts that an SI-clock on the geoid will measure a mean solar day >>> to last the proper time 86400 s >>> >>> GR predicts that an SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day >>> to last the proper time 86400*(1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s >>> >>> If you knew this, then all the mysteries that confuse you so >>> much will go away. But you will never learn. >>> >>> You can kick and scream and curse as much as you want, it is a fact >>> that this is what GR predicts. >>> >>> As you know was this prediction of GR confirmed for the first time >>> in 1977, and in the 48 years since then it is confirmed many thousands >>> times every day, by the simple fact that the GPS works. >>> >>> >>>> on the orbiting clock. But FROM EARTH, it's perceived AS IF THAT >>>> DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN CANCELLED, because Schwarzschild advised so. >>> >>> You don't know what the Schwarzschild metric predicts. >>> >>> I do: https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf >>> >>>> >>>> Don't be confused about the values of time and frequency. Two sides of >>>> the same coin. >>>> >>>> >>>> Which is the truth? Relativity IS FALSE, A FALLACIOUS PSEUDOSCIENCE, AND >>>> THE ORBITING CLOCK WORKS ONLY IN THE M1 MODE. >>>> >>>> Or, as Maciej always say, t'=t. >>> >>> And you agree with the smart guy Maciej? >>> >>> You must be right, then. ROFL >>> >>>> >>>> Please, hold on with your butthurt, or try some cream to easy the pain. >>> >>> It is not my butt that hurts. It is my stomach. >> >> >> Imbecile, to fulfill the prophecy of your cretin pagan god, the GPS SV >> clock has to be switched to the M2 frequency BEING IN ORBIT, > > > To fulfill the prophecy of the idiot - > the clock should be left alone, without > any corrections. GPS wouldn't work, but > what a magnificient symmetry we would > have instead. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========