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From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Electron size, shape and spin.Confusion and conflicts with Einstein's
 1905 SR.
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:59:53 +0000
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:27:40 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> W dniu 21.03.2025 o 23:17, rhertz pisze:
>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:43:45 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Den 21.03.2025 00:33, skrev rhertz:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:24:30 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Den 19.03.2025 22:38, skrev rhertz:
>>>>>
>>>>> A normal clock with rate as defined by SI which is in GPS orbit
>>>>> will according to GR measure a solar day to be
>>>>>    86400*(1+4.4647e-10) s = 86400s + 38.575μs
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Note this!
>>> A normal clock in GPS orbit will measure the duration of
>>> one solar day to be  86400 s + 38.575 μs
>>> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>>>
>>> A clock on the ground will measure the duration of one day
>>> to be 86400 s.
>>> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>>>
>>> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem since
>>> you you missed this _very essential_ point!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your blunder was that you didn't realise that a "day" measured
>>>>> by the clock in the SV is 38.575μs longer that a day measured by
>>>>> a clock on the ground. This is THE central point.
>>>
>>> And you repeat the blunder! ROFL
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a real GPS satellite the reference oscillator is adjusted down
>>>>> by the factor (1-4.4647e-10) so it will measure the number of second
>>>>> during a solar day to be (86400s + 38.575μs)*(1-4.4647e-10) = 86400s
>>>>>
>>>>> So it will stay in sync with the ground clock.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400
>>>>>> sec
>>>>>> (1 day).
>>>>>
>>>>> Right.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clock on GPS SV: accumulates 883,871,999,605 pulses in 86400 sec (1
>>>>>> day).
>>>>>
>>>>> It accumulates 883872000000 pulses in (86400s + 38.575μs) (1 day)
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nice analysis, Paul. Well redacted and with many details.
>>>
>>> If you had read it, you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself. Again!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only THAT YOU FUCKED IT UP, AS YOU USUALLY DO!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The master TCXO clock on the GPS SV have (according to the narrative of
>>>> 1977 relativists), TWO OPERATING MODES:
>>>>
>>>> M1: Working at 10,230,000.000000 Hz (as good physics dictates)
>>>> M2: Working at 10,229,999.995430 Hz (as relativists claim it to be
>>>> necessary)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your BLUNDER is that working in M2, the onboard counter has LESS COUNTS,
>>>> NOT MORE, after the 86,400 sec/day.
>>>
>>> As I explained it in the posting you now are responding to,
>>> the adjusted clock will tick out 84400 shorted seconds
>>> during one day which is (86400s + 38.575μs).
>>>
>>> This means that it will stay in sync with the clock on the ground.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, your count is incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 sec.
>>>>
>>>> Working on M2 mode, clock on the GPS SV accumulates 883,871,999,608
>>>> pulses in 86400 sec. as measured IN THE SV. So, the count gives (86400s
>>>> - 38.575μs). It's a LOWER LOCAL VALUE within the GPS SV.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What relativists claim, because they are IDIOTS, is that such difference
>>>> DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR when PERCEIVED FROM EARTH (Ground level). And they
>>>> celebrate that due to relativistic corrections, the L1 frequency REACHES
>>>> EARTH with an increase in frequency of Δf/f = -4.4647E-10.
>>>>
>>>> Such relativistic correction, idiots claim, allow that the L1 carrier
>>>> emitted from the SV at 1,575,419,999.29622 Hz COULD REACH EARTH AT
>>>> EXACTLY
>>>> 1,575,420,000.000 Hz = 154 x 10,230,000.000000 Hz.
>>>
>>> You still don't get it, do you?
>>>
>>> The frequency of the transmitted L1 is 1575.4199992966223 MHz.
>>> During one day, which in the satellite is 86400.000038575 s,
>>> the number of transmitted cycles is:
>>>    1575419999.2966223*86400.000038575 = 136116288000000 cycles
>>>
>>> These cycles are reaching the ground during one day, which on
>>> the ground is 86400 s. This means that the frequency on the ground
>>> is 136116288000000/86400s = 1575420000.0 Hz = 1575.42 MHz
>>>
>>> All the pulses that are emitted during one day, are reaching
>>> the ground during one day. No pulses DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is that clear enough? The act of detuning the SV TCXO causes a LOSS OF
>>>> 38.5 usec
>>>
>>> In the following an "SI-clock" is a clock which counts seconds as
>>> defined by SI.
>>>
>>> Read this:
>>> ------------
>>> GR predicts that an SI-clock on the geoid will measure a mean solar day
>>> to last the proper time 86400 s
>>>
>>> GR predicts that an SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day
>>> to last the proper time 86400*(1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s
>>>
>>> If you knew this, then all the mysteries that confuse you so
>>> much will go away. But you will never learn.
>>>
>>> You can kick and scream and curse as much as you want, it is a fact
>>> that this is what GR predicts.
>>>
>>> As you know was this prediction of GR confirmed for the first time
>>> in 1977, and in the 48 years since then it is confirmed many thousands
>>> times every day, by the simple fact that the GPS works.
>>>
>>>
>>>> on the orbiting clock. But FROM EARTH, it's perceived AS IF THAT
>>>> DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN CANCELLED, because Schwarzschild advised so.
>>>
>>> You don't know what the Schwarzschild metric predicts.
>>>
>>> I do: https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't be confused about the values of time and frequency. Two sides of
>>>> the same coin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is the truth? Relativity IS FALSE, A FALLACIOUS PSEUDOSCIENCE, AND
>>>> THE ORBITING CLOCK WORKS ONLY IN THE M1 MODE.
>>>>
>>>> Or, as Maciej always say, t'=t.
>>>
>>> And you agree with the smart guy Maciej?
>>>
>>> You must be right, then. ROFL
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please, hold on with your butthurt, or try some cream to easy the pain.
>>>
>>> It is not my butt that hurts. It is my stomach.
>>
>>
>> Imbecile, to fulfill the prophecy of your cretin pagan god, the GPS SV
>> clock has to be switched to the M2 frequency BEING IN ORBIT,
>
>
> To fulfill the prophecy of the idiot -
> the clock should be left alone, without
> any corrections. GPS wouldn't work, but
> what a magnificient symmetry we would
> have instead.
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