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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <1_yKjTpqmsQ9bfJRH4twqjmHrvw@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Langevin's paradox again References: <FER4K03RCuXsBiIlfVNSgR0vilQ@jntp> <v6r5of$30t0t$1@dont-email.me> <LdiOEXosVQBwmzyUbXQtBoNVQOg@jntp> <v715id$8suh$1@dont-email.me> <DhH3TFRYDEo0-lO-5RDf6PAXH2I@jntp> <v7312o$m1pa$1@dont-email.me> <XwY8ULD6v2JS4ZHo_cHsUB4VbmM@jntp> <v7376c$mo0c$2@dont-email.me> <obKUvOe0ugnrZaE9lm7mmPDWGmc@jntp> <v73vsm$rk3i$1@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: DImPinFAUigHzl87AAiufjz0o4g JNTP-ThreadID: sxhQQgyUgiiv6OcO_6O_beeL7bk JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=1_yKjTpqmsQ9bfJRH4twqjmHrvw@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Mon, 15 Jul 24 20:39:37 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-07-15T20:39:37Z/8949972"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> Bytes: 2541 Lines: 39 Le 15/07/2024 à 22:13, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : > Den 15.07.2024 15:23, skrev Richard Hachel: > The physicists at CERN are measuring the speed > of the protons in the LHC to be less than c. Absolutely, my fair Paul. That's what I always said. Vo=Vr/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) < c > Putting different indexes on the V can't change that fact. Absolutely : Vo < c > And of course this speed is real, and not imaginary. Absolutely p=m.Vr=m.Vo/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²) I am keeping the rest >> Please note: the real speed is measured in the LAB reference frame. > Yes, of course! > > Even a child would be able to calculate that when > the proton is moving around the 27 km circuit, > and it passes by the same point every slightly more > than 90 μs, then its real speed is slightly less than > 27000m/0.000009s = 3000000000 m/s Personne n'a jamais dit le contraire. Paul, tu réponds n'importe quoi. R.H.