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Path: ...!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 04:45:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Centos stream of batpiss Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <v04g5g$3hofl$1@paganini.bofh.team> <v05kel$uh9t$1@dont-email.me> From: "26xh.0717" <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> Organization: snippy grate Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 00:45:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <v05kel$uh9t$1@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1cednanf4p_sOsf7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 56 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-0CeOxJTjR7fX8JaOGWGPVR+6QuMU66Njwwt/2a+TR7ekviT+ZN3B3ZTmxk8HY5noFi70IWFTT0S1AqS!R4yIs9yi+DgSDLtCIiARRnBq8OY+upOi89feZaB40zPJKKJxeOaB5b6CRjPsvUMmsdeSV5u6+V17!Td1F0f8cG/Hm6gRO1IUQ X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3461 On 4/22/24 8:16 AM, John McCue wrote: > Mich <mich@none.edu> wrote: >> I dug out an old workstation with Centos 8 stream. (...snip) >> It is more or less going to remove KDE Plasma if I say y. > > Not a big surprise to me :( > > When I had a RHEL Workstation, when I upgraded from 7 to 8 > (or 8-9?), KDE was broken during that upgrade and Fluxbox > started to have issues too. > > Seems RHEL wants you to use GNOME or nothing. On Fluxbox > some applications and almost all proprietary applications I > had to use at work would fail unless you are running GNOME 3. > Same with KDE, but pieces of KDE would also fail. > > At the time, I did a search and seems Red Hat is doing all > it can to prevent the use of KDE on RHEL. Maybe that > philosophy moved to CentOS. > > Sad to say, may be time to move to another distro. Look, it's not JUST RHEL/Centos/Etc (though now you are kinda being a beta-tester for IBM by using Centos). One of the biggest issues with Linux is the "dependencies problem". Everything is writ to use THE existing versions of libs and such and you can't update one thing without parallel updates on everything downstream, and downstream from them and .... As the OS and selection of apps got much bigger, this problem became much bigger. It's almost in an 'exponential' phase now. SOMEWHERE you're gonna run into a missing dependency. For all its crappiness, DOS/Winders is MUCH better in this respect. Hell, I've got an old Core-2-Quad board that will still run 8/16 DOS apps from the Ancient Days. Anybody remember ".COM" files ? :-) Library writers are expected to maintain backwards compatibility, so it doesn't matter if your app is 2024 and yer libs are 1994. So long as they exist, things generally work pretty well. This has changed a bit for Win 11/12 ... dem bastards ... but still most of yer older apps will still run fine. Linux needs a new paradigm, kind of like with Win. Alas I think Linux is too set-in-stone and this will never happen. We will have to wait for some whole new OS. As for RHEL/etc and Gnome ... it's a HORRIBLE GUI ! Don't know WHY they're so stuck on it.