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From: Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:27:45 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 3/8/2024 1:15 AM, JAB wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 17:41, Justisaur wrote:
>
>> Is that really a problem though as SATA isn't going away anytime soon so 
>> it's difficult to see that NVMe becoming more and more common means that 
>> you can't for example upgrade your storage unless the NVMe is part of 
>> the MB - do they do  that as it sounds exactly like the type of thing 
>> Apple would do.
>
>Soddering the memory directly to the board isn't new, and I wouldn't put 
>it past manufactuers for storage on a stick, like you mentioned apple's 
>been doing that on iphones for some time.
>
>I've not seen it done laptops and NVMe yet, but multiple manufacturers 
>over-tightens the screws so severely you basically can't remove it, as 
>any attempt strips the screw, and requires so much force that you're 
>bending the PCB visibly which really isn't good for the laptop.  To get 
>them out I've had to resort to using pliers on the screw head (I've 
>tried all the other hacks like rubber bands, etc.) which crushes the 
>screw.  I've had trouble getting the right screws to put them back in 
>with as well, all I can think is they used some non standard screw.

IIRC, there are (or were, it's been a while since I looked) of cheap
laptops - many of which are Chromebooks - which have either soldered
the M.2 NVMe boards directly to the motherboard, or embedded the NVMe
chips directly into the motherboard. Either way, upgrading (or
replacing) your storage is an impossibility.

Of course, these were all $200 laptops, so such behavior isn't
unexpected. But it's already being done.

I'm not opposed to M.2 NVMe mounts. M.2 is, after all, faster since it
directly accesses PCIE (even if most drives can't match the interface
speed yet). It's smaller form-factor has advantages too. You can also
more easily apply cooling directly to the M.2 sticks. 

But neither am I gung-ho for the format. If it's there, I'll take
advantage of it. But it's not a necessity. SATA is still more than
capable of handling ordinary use-cases... and backwards compatibility
is always welcome.