Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action
Subject: Re: [Bell of Lost Souls] It's Canon: Baldur's Gate 3 Brings D&D To The Vatican
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 15:23:25 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 81
Message-ID: <1fspjjhnt0ce4n216lfmg1o5i345kdd3pr@4ax.com>
References: <vh2bfe$mbi$5@ereborbbs.duckdns.org> <vh5h3g$2uvte$1@dont-email.me> <f758f26b5a34db8340a8c1163c7934fd76dbb769@i2pn2.org> <vh70uo$jo5$5@ereborbbs.duckdns.org> <96cfjjtj2pbhif7vqrdsclrtepcggk3ebe@4ax.com> <vh8tp7$3mft8$2@dont-email.me> <lq2841FudtuU1@mid.individual.net> <vhhbc0$1n8rg$2@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 21:23:28 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1d8c038ff273ab57334b4e88082c584d";
	logging-data="2124347"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Ha3nVeGm6KEpVyPaRquNZ"
Cancel-Lock: sha1:gjOws65qNdIqKMDG46xnQF8bXnQ=
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.640
Bytes: 4783

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On 11/18/2024 5:31 PM, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>> Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.
>>>>
>>>> I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>> Kyonshi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
>>>>>>> Kyonshi  <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being
>>>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. 
>>>>>>>> Never
>>>>>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican
>>>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.  Maybe even during the time
>>>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser 
>>>>>>> extent
>>>>>>> the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.  BADD was
>>>>>> popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.  Jack Chick 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
>>>>> that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
>>>>> middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
>>>>> Vatican city are elder professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
>>>>
>>>> All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time,
>>>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e 
>>>> *Deities
>>>> & Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
>>>> So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
>>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
>>>
>> I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate 
>> the truth from the water elemental.  I've noticed this in some Dungeon 
>> Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory.  Not one 
>> hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
>> 
>> Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs. 
>> That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
>> 
>> Who were those people?  I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
>
>Something about some group of teenagers wandering around in the New York 
>subway tunnels comes to mind.

That's Rona Jaffe's Mazes & Monsters.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084314/

The Satanism thing was Jack Chick;
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic-cartoonist-death

A snippet:  "A lot of people hated Jack Chick. He wrote furious screeds
against Dungeons & Dragons, against Catholicism and against rock music;
he waged a long and ultimately unsuccessful war on Halloween. If you
were Jewish or Muslim or gay, Chick wanted you to be saved from the
fires of hell and wrote a comic to tell you so."

A collection of his lunacy;
https://www.chick.com/products/category?type=tracts

Specifically for D&D
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=46&ue=d

Xocyll