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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:29:58 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <1k99rjdlu3nojs2r0525pq21j4qc3h9jb2@4ax.com> References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me> <vo1n39$2rdv4$1@dont-email.me> <vo47ib$3cm8h$1@dont-email.me> <vo7jg5$2090$1@dont-email.me> <vo7kt0$qvu$2@dont-email.me> <voovjr$3o3ri$1@dont-email.me> <vop70b$3sjqq$2@dont-email.me> <ndr0rj1m7bp2r4erpms6mcpquunmu4k9d0@4ax.com> <vov55a$13r1b$1@dont-email.me> <k8j8rj5t9n9b91c9q4qo25tiij5jbg7ti0@4ax.com> <vp1kc3$1kvce$1@dont-email.me> <upl8rjpg2luq1h0ch9bhv7sqelepba4t2e@4ax.com> <vp1o58$1lhpq$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="68357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:91sY4E8BuZvAx0Bkt+PUrzAkfag= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E5A3622978C; Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:30:12 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 800F1229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 51IFU4c5661895 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Feb 2025 16:30:04 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69CA460617 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/69CA460617; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=buzz.off id 37774DC01CA; Tue, 18 Feb 2025 16:30:02 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 16:30:01 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+otW11NhZvYNT2CFEFSS2ldMFKirj3IP3qcNQEN86Mpah48RkagR7k HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5303 On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:41:42 +1100, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>: >On 18/02/2025 8:55 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:37:06 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 18/02/2025 8:15 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >>>> The question I would like to see you address is how your Intelligent >>>> Designer might have gone about this. >>>> >>>> The human brain indeed has unique characteristics in terms of its >>>> ability and functions. Other species do not have those >>>> characteristics, but they do have similar brain structures and, as >>>> Ernest has pointed out in several examples, those brains can sometimes >>>> be argued to be even more complex than the human one. So how do you >>>> think your Intelligent Designer went about this? Did he play around >>>> with various prototype brain designs on other species and then come up >>>> with a particular design that he decided to give to humans alone? >>> >>> Why the hostile, mocking tone, >> >> Not meant to be either hostile or mocking but I accept it may come >> across that way due to my frustration with you continually refusing to >> deal with issues raided by a fellow religious believer. [1] >> >>> and straw man depiction of God? >> >> It is you and your fellow IDers who have created a strawman by >> pretending to talk about some anodyne designer when you really mean >> God; and not just *any* God, the specific Christian God. > >I'm with many ID proponents who are openly Christians, but in the >context of debating the interpretation and implications of scientific >evidence, deliberately and correctly refer only to a non-specific >intelligent designer interacting with this material world from outside >of spacetime. > >> >> >> =========================== >> >> [1] For example, still waiting for you to produce the evidence you >> promised 10 days ago about ID gaining traction. >> Same here. > >It'll come, I'm still doing midnighters. And distracting myself with >posts like these. > So, "The check is in the mail"? Either you know of such evidence or you were blowing smoke. If the former, a simple one-line cite to the evidence would have taken less time than the two sentences above. But I suspect it's actually the latter; simply the most recent in a long line of such from various ID apologists. > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov