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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:33:39 +0000 Organization: Poppy Records Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1r2tmxx.13nnhko3rsqo0N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> References: <1r2rj8l.msi28f14weovyN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <725vijtq4c4jj21uavvjevu3a9npum08jp@4ax.com> <1r2rp4o.1w2tcwvw8pjuoN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <47fvijhj8g018ps9unh419o8enmslja5m9@4ax.com> <1r2rule.1pqrqrzwjyqhqN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <fdsvijdiqkrfmao5dqisjvsoukd5h3fa0r@4ax.com> <1r2srio.1vuhm6n1elga80N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <ack1jjl0esgm6ldptldqrhfi5j5nt57fkm@4ax.com> <1r2tct6.1btph881o6y190N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <t9s1jjp1csvcevhptph94ctkenkdf4t1mt@4ax.com> X-Trace: individual.net s1nVH4MqnMZnxKMc9DL/JQsOEtFIBew5iYt3lLVxGjmOl5nuMp X-Orig-Path: liz Cancel-Lock: sha1:SchVWlQWjPwZzY+QaVNnV27LiSg= sha256:7mJueygG7hD/jRfnAChsKtcOai3rlAGV+l5ya+M035M= User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.6 Bytes: 2575 john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:03:25 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: [...] > >The point I was making about grounded-grid operation is that the input > >impedance of the valve is very nearly the characteristic impedance of > >the co-ax (voltage ratio 3:2 for a triode-strapped EF91 drawing 6mA from > >a 200V HT line). A Pi network or a 3:2 winding on a ferrite core could > >be used to match them > > A tuned circuit into the grid has voltage gain, It's about power noise and power gain, not voltage noise and voltage gain., a tuned circuit doesn't have power gain. At lower impedances the noise voltage and the signal voltage are reduced equally so the S/N power ratio isn't altered. Matching the feeder and aerial impedance to the circuit impedance is what matters, that wsy you get maximum signal power transfer. Grounded grid circuits were common above 150 Mc/s and gave good S/N ratios, the reason they weren't much used below that frequency was because specialised valves in conventional circuits could do the job adequately. I am trying to push a general purpose valve to do the job of a specialised one. (Like a BC109 being used as a VHF oscillator - it can work if you get it right!) -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk