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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: dumping a lot of heat Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 17:34:56 +0000 Organization: Poppy Records Lines: 49 Message-ID: <1r49ctc.1n9fdpqxus32hN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> References: <lo51lj1da7a9ar0r9iavrcckuk00njsuoa@4ax.com> <1r434eh.9mfcivcsdztaN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <tv83lj9sli8isiffpo4aadu3t0mf01bjn9@4ax.com> <1r43vdz.1x4sizvmjxptrN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <i6u8ljpjaqaej233ko8e2k5p07gvc2qtdo@4ax.com> <a109lj18a831nvlfv398a28il1spdmctmu@4ax.com> <1r490yz.1xraied16vto76N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vj4duv$jis3$1@solani.org> <1r499nc.1l79pftrqcriyN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <g7kblj19orjv8age2uudmdiqiiqmoq4kk7@4ax.com> X-Trace: individual.net sIKsc9TFzQ3KODOPlbk3iQ5gjsucs8jRuR2u3SZD2gCKePnrKK X-Orig-Path: liz Cancel-Lock: sha1:UHuQZUUtHpqY8sLuQt9lwdQf+F8= sha256:44FPXocmTnE17Vtdts/VQYEjvU4vzZ5I5FEVhL33HOA= User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.6 Bytes: 2985 john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 16:36:25 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: > > >Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Dec 2024 13:33:39 +0000) it happened > >> liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in > >> <1r490yz.1xraied16vto76N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>: > >> > >> >john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > > > >[...]>RL > >> >> > >> >> Tubes were awful. Still are. > >> > > >> >The techniques for designing with them are quite different from > >> >transistors and ICs, you have to think a different way; they aren't just > >> >poor transistors, they have a different lifestyle altogether. They also > >> >have some advantages over semiconductors: > >> > > >> >1) Withstanding short term overloads without damage. > >> > >> Thermal overloads depend on teh heatsink. > > > >Only slow overloads. Fast ones depend on the thermal time constant of > >the bit being heated by the overload. Some time later the energy > >reaches the heat sink but but then the damage is done. > > > >I've just accidentally mixed up the anode and grid pins of one of the > >triodes in an ECC91. It drew about 100 mA for a few seconds with no > >damage. That's equivalent to mixing up the Base and Collector > >connections on a transistor and subjecting the Base-Emitter junction to > >about 10 times the rated maximum Collector current. How many > >transistors would survive that, even with the biggest heatsink > >available? > > Mosfet data sheets usually have SOAR curves. > > IXFH400N075T2 is rated for 1000 amps and 1000 watts (with astericks) > and 30 kilowatts for 25 uSec. Into the gate? -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk