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From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
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Subject: Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:49:24 +0000
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john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:32:32 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
> >Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 17/02/2025 12:50 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >> > Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> On 16/02/2025 11:48 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >> >>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 16/02/2025 6:41 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:53:37 -0700, Don Y
> >> >>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <snip>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> So, if he was afraid of having a NATO Ukraine on his border, he
> >> >>>>>> hasn't yet realized what a threat a re-ARMED Europe would pose
> >> >>>>>> in that same geographical position.  Trump's trash talking may
> >> >>>>>> result in a EUTO (without the US) that feels empowered to push
> >> >>>>>> back on future issues without "consent" from the US.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Getting Europe's military up to the job would take at least a
> >> >>>>> decade. But there's no money available. Germany - once the
> >> >>>>> economic powerhouse of the continent - is on its knees and France
> >> >>>>> likewise. And even if it could be afforded - which it can't - we
> >> >>>>> now know Putin can call upon China and N. Korea, so if push ever
> >> >>>>> came to shove, continental Europe would be toast.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The US Abrahams tank relies on a German gun and UK (Chobham)
> >> >>>>armour.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But the Americans won't have to fight if Trump has his way.  He
> >> >>> thinks he can just keep Putin happy by feeding him European
> >> >>> countries, one-by-one.
> >> >>
> >> >> NATO exists so that he can't do that. An attack on one NATO member
> >> >> is an attack on all of them. Ukraine is a not a member of NATO (and
> >> >> Putin doesn't want it to join).
> >> > 
> >> > A flourish of the pen is all it needs to destroy that.  Trunp has
> >> > pulled out of other alliances when it suits him, why not this one?
> >> 
> >> Trump pulling America out of NATO won't destroy the agreements between
> >> all the other countries involved.
> >
> >I know, but he thinks he rules most of the World and NATO will fall
> >apart without him.  Then, once the unity is broken, he can manipulate
> >the individual countries in any way that suits him. 
> 
> He is acting in the interest of the people who elected him. That is a
> radical concept nowadays.

The next election will test whether they think he has done that ...if
there is a next election.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
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