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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!snipe.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 19:59:51 +0000 Organization: Sn!peCo World Wide Wading Birds Lines: 73 Message-ID: <1r9ptuo.6zis5d1v7ecznN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> References: <83hrtjhu6m99m4sr6p36m7qec5t0idldjj@4ax.com> <vrlhod$38sdl$4@dont-email.me> <1q7utjll1cabq3b1pim0522uk6c97e3emm@4ax.com> <vrn8ka$or5h$2@dont-email.me> <hqbutjh5ct4kjj078ur38vnr772kp76qei@4ax.com> <vrngfl$vd5q$1@dont-email.me> <ehhutjlft3b11qb7cd6rq8ed410hg41lom@4ax.com> <vrnr0f$18oag$5@dont-email.me> <1r9ne4n.j7bric1gkfjx0N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <tvi0uj51cf9qflgvgs5fcd9a0fj6s33lth@4ax.com> <slrnvu0jct.4l4.Adison@localhost.localdomain> <qvj0ujlq885q7qa49bsij83qppcr90030t@4ax.com> <slrnvu0kbn.4ol.Adison@localhost.localdomain> <40l0ujtsp00snn8gtg1d3q8pot4numc7vf@4ax.com> <slrnvu0lds.50b.Adison@localhost.localdomain> <52m0ujlj963t9vgssefgrok4femvs43ts6@4ax.com> <slrnvu0n7k.538.Adison@localhost.localdomain> <1r9o0lp.1on6rz519eeadtN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <r3v0ujd1lalurcccv5sbpev16m06tjuvah@4ax.com> <1r9o4d1.vknahz19y5ei5N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <qBcEP.43084$5e_1.15637@fx33.iad> <1r9pc5n.1mzsgr91x9g7erN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <aheEP.92898$W1a6.76432@fx04.iad> Reply-To: snipeco.1@gmail.com (Sn!pe) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:59:52 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: snipe.eternal-september.org; posting-host="5c52fda9c880d641ea3471ba3c77fb91"; logging-data="1725464"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18eqJJcCgdpz5Zfg+pxEqxt" User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6) Cancel-Lock: sha1:thIuD/eTn/Qh6Dz42hK26vs6/fg= X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett; WonK; Large Enid; Lydia Dustbin X-Validate: All genuine Sn!peCo articles contain the header: "Injection-Info: snipe.eternal-september.org;" my registered FQDN. X-Disclaimer: Any advice that I may give is worth only what I paid for it. This article comprises only my personal opinions unless otherwise stated. May contain traces of nuts. X-Copyright: Copyright (c) 2025 Sn!peCo WWWB, All Rights Reserved. This article may be reproduced for the purposes of propagation and personal use only, no commercial use without express permission. X-Tongue-In-Cheek: Always X-Face: 5<x+vv{"AHN,F~/dhf,X*~1zNv[TF/WUe(Uw.*ZOw\P'Ju]C6].T~7Z5cVjV\xTO6&)1#VQ iZ4vFDG X-Keywords: Ignore tests. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-03-24 09:39, Sn!pe wrote: > > CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > > > > [I wrote] > >>> I could give you my entire PC history from MS DOS 2.4 in 1984 via 'Doze > >>> 3.0 to NT4, then Mandrake Linux for several years before I saw the > >>> light, put away my screwdrivers and switched to macOS 10.3 "Panther". > >>> I've stuck with Macs ever since; they just *work*, you know? > >>> > >>> I could go on but it would be even boring than the above. > >>> > >> > >> I recall having a Mac running X.1.5 and then x.2 at a time when decent > >> browsers for that operating system didn't exist. It was Internet > >> Explorer or some independent browser whose name I can't remember. > >> Eventually, Apple released Safari and made things a little better. I > >> don't believe that even Firefox was around at the time. This was > >> definitely a period when the Mac didn't "just work." > >> > > > > I can't speak to that, I began with Macs at OS X 10.3 "Panther". > > I had no difficulties with that at all. > > > > I suppose you might equate Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2 with > > Windoze 1 and 2. I imagine that you will remember what > > early 'Doze was like. . . > > > > What was early Linux like? > > I started with 10.1.5, so I couldn't really tell you if earlier versions > were as slow as people claimed. However, on the machine I used, a g3 > 600MHz iBook, MacOS 9.2.2 was definitely a lot more fun to use than OS > X. It was too bad that it wasn't getting updates anymore. I just recall > struggling to find a browser which supported all of what most websites > used whether it was Java or some other technology. It was truly > miserable until Safari came out. I don't recall whether Firefox came out > before or after, but I was definitely not aware of its existence until I > moved back to PCs later. > > As for early Linux, I can only tell you what it was like when I > installed Slackware through floppies at the very beginning. I only had > an old IBM PS/1 monitor to use it, so I couldn't get into the GUI at all > since I didn't know the vertical or horizontal refresh rates for that > piece of crap. When I went back to Linux around 1998, things were much > better but there was no built-in PPPoE software to connect to my ISP at > the time. If you didn't happen to have rp-pppoe lying around on a > floppy, you were screwed. I also recall that I found KDE a lot better > than the rest of the GUIs at the time, but I still found it fairly > clunky. Windows 95/98 wasn't great, but it was at least better than what > Linux was offering for environments. I mostly ignored Linux after that > since Windows 2000 and XP were stellar, though I vowed to only use Linux > once the first Ubuntu released. It was definitely better than every > other Linux available at the time, but it still didn't feel like a > complete replacement for Windows. > > I imagine that you don't really care about the history I just wrote > about above, but it felt good to write about it. My biggest memory was > how open-source, AbiWord to be exact, saved my ass when I needed > something to write a university paper. > It was good to read about it, too. It isn't as though I have anything urgent scheduled for today... Anyway, I'm not here as an advocate for Apple; if it wasn't for laughing boy being so haughty and superior about me using legacy software, I probably wouldn't have posted. Whatever, it's filled a few idle moments so it's all good. -- ^�^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.