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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Valve frequency multipliers (followup) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 18:33:39 +0100 Organization: Poppy Records Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1rabxmc.1b5yjg6mfg554N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> X-Trace: individual.net I7Hh5JXm/okyhcKvR4AavQlJogWSscyLW4+GprjhrbWkg38psC X-Orig-Path: liz Cancel-Lock: sha1:xGQLtx5UwYZPOWZRWv/t6jtkq+Y= sha256:vtJzOPDBjrR88uTKHgqAWGysEg4ARUKuzkbr9zoPC/0= User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.6 Bytes: 2338 You may remember a couple of month ago I was trying to derive 150 Mc/s from a 16.667 Mc/s crystal with two triode triplers. I now think I have found the cause of my problems: The first tripler circuit didn't seem to tune up correctly and all sorts of spurious harmonics were coming out of it. There was never enough 50 Mc/s signal to drive the second tripler far enough into non-linearity, so the 150 Mc/s output was utterly feeble. Eventually I decided I was never going to get it to work in the space available, which was only just big enough for one valve, so it would have to be split, with the first tripler in the oscillator box and the second tripler in another box. I decided to use a pentode (EF91) for the first tripler as it could be biassed to give a lot of distortion and a large anode voltage swing. Because there was now room available and a trimming capacitor to spare (which had previously been used to tune the 150 Mc/s coil), I abandoned the ferrite slug-tuned 50 Mc/s coil and wound an air-cored one instead. The circuit gives a *huge* output, far more than ever before (and it is not due to self-oscillation or any other vice like that). I think the cause of the previous low output must have been the ferrite tuning slug, which probably wasn't rated for 50 Mc/s and was damping the circuit or saturating to give lots of unwanted harmonics. There's plenty of work still to do, but at least one link in the chain is now working and I have an explanation of the probable reason why it didn't work before. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk