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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: energy in UK Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 15:38:45 +0100 Organization: Poppy Records Lines: 38 Message-ID: <1raxxub.cmm17n1cvp7lsN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> References: <6cblvjtuqq506j5l5uvvrkvcvj549klff8@4ax.com> <vtfhp7$25gv3$1@dont-email.me> <vtipp3$13511$1@dont-email.me> <vtka2s$2g8en$3@dont-email.me> <vtme4n$f4pp$1@dont-email.me> <vtmmh7$mjlu$1@dont-email.me> <vtnvoa$1vdsp$1@dont-email.me> <vtpc6n$35tke$1@dont-email.me> <vtqgc6$b177$1@dont-email.me> <vtqkca$b9gt$2@dont-email.me> <1raxpc1.wxxc7n63qcuuN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vtqpua$i36f$1@dont-email.me> X-Trace: individual.net OSI4wDKr/oQ8lKAOFmXyeAmnHUF0N8tqGoEz+eXBdWS8o/hnp/ X-Orig-Path: liz Cancel-Lock: sha1:CxWRyHH7s0sdoQ8sl+ZXVmrRzOs= sha256:dIi2p0BB8BL1aR5OgGRL6e+TLE9oA13sdLsZnTz1LkQ= User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.6 Bytes: 2675 Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: > On 4/17/2025 4:36 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > > Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > [...] > >> I've heard rumors that some can also be used to disconnect power > >> (for non-payment) but think that would be hard in the volume > >> typically set aside for the meter (?) > > > > In the UK, that appeared to be the main reason the electricity compaines > > rushed to install them; anyone who didn't pay or disputed their bill > > could be threatened with being cut off without any necessity to gain > > access to the premises. Rather late in the day, this was made illegal > > and the drive to fit 'smart' meters suddenly vanished. > > What are they using to disconnect the (typical) two 100A legs? Most UK domestic premises are on single-phase 240v, with the neutral earthed at the sub-station. This means there is only one leg to disconnect, so a latching relay with one set of 100A contacts is sufficient. (I remember seeing a video of 'Big Clive" dismantling one - it may still be on YouTube somewhere.) > > Here, there is value in having solid state metering. It allows > different monitoring schemes to be implemented without requiring a > completely different mechanical metering system. Eliminates > the meter reader. Provides dynamic load monitoring at the customer > level. Remote fault detection. etc. Most of which benefits the supplier, not the consumer. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk