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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Physics Behind the Spanish Blackout Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 10:48:45 +0100 Organization: Poppy Records Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1rdt9um.1e1i2561cjm2cxN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> References: <m66c4kdc428f5va3f1lf1hok2d8r7n8027@4ax.com> <1026c1c$fci3$1@dont-email.me> <cnqd4khvpf8bc1m581lt2kquavofaqj6br@4ax.com> <1027bpv$mvq1$1@dont-email.me> <kapjhlx4on.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1027e64$nfnr$2@dont-email.me> <krrjhlxbmu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1rdokas.pew8b1jlata8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <rq9khlxps6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1028rpt$14rjn$3@dont-email.me> <ti9lhlxhbv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1rdplb0.k2p5xu1t16jy8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <o0olhlxgn8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <102cuma$1umr0$1@paganini.bofh.team> <1rdt563.34jdntp3ft22N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <102e3eh$2ivmk$1@dont-email.me> X-Trace: individual.net PWv6SnLFLOiu+uXHhSFO5Q4eKpoTgn6BhHQN+y+FG+L7A3kEla X-Orig-Path: liz Cancel-Lock: sha1:IQ5mE08p3xLtupb9FD2wg0RIl2U= sha256:zCe9123B0s9zLL2+1sCCOoUrOghkv1hQmFftkPwJLaE= User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.6 Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: > On 12/06/2025 6:08 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > > Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > >> Instantly dropping loads may be possible, but if it is the > >> only short term balancing mechanizm, then effect on loads may > >> be nasty. > > > > That option will become less effective as a greater proportion of the > > supply is generated by renewables. Dropping the load may also drop a > > significant proportion of the supply from local solar and wind sources. > > How? Solar and wind sources are free-standing generators. They don't > need any power input from the grid. They do need timing information - to > set the phase of the AC current that they feed into the grid, but they > can get that from radio transmissions, and - less directly - from GPS > signals. All of that is vulnerable to interruption (by Sod's Law, just when it is needed), Compared with just switching off a big load centre by pulling out a lump of metal, it is a complicated and fussy way to handle an emergency that needs an instant response. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk