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Subject: Re: Happy Alhambra Decree Day
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 15:35:22 -0400
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:55:53 -0000 (UTC)
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> >Sun, 31 Mar 2024 21:58:31 -0000 (UTC) Adam H. Kerman
> ><ahk@chinet.com>:  
> 
> >>That's right, children. This is the anniversary of Ferdinand and
> >>Isabella signing the Alhambra decree, expelling the Jews of Spain
> >>from their separate kingdoms, Aragon and Castille. March 31, 1492.
> >>Columbus would set sail for, uh, India a few months later. Quite a
> >>few members of his crew were Jewish.  
> 
> >I didn't know that several of the crew were Jewish.  
> 
> Most famously, the navigator on Columbus's ship. I'm spacing out on
> his name.
> 
> >. . .   
> 
> >>100,000 expelled, 200,000 converted, after 50,000 had converted in
> >>the decades after the massacre of 1391. Voluntary conversions, they
> >>were, under penalty of death. Of course the Catholic monarchs
> >>didn't believe them, hence the Spanish Inquisition. Nobody expects
> >>the Spanish Inquisition.  
> 
> >Were the Jews really better treated under the previous Muslim rule
> >than Catholic rule?  
> 
> Islam became a huge religion thanks to missionaries and forced
> conversion. There's no question that they did it throughout their
> history. But from what I've read, there were restrictions on Jews (and
> I guess Christians) on the Iberian peninsula, typically about serving
> in government. I don't think there were restrictions on business
> affairs. I've never read that there were forced conversions on the
> Iberian peninsula during several hundred years of Muslim rule.
> 
> Getting Catholic monarchs onto the throwns of the Spanish kingdoms
> was a huge part of the Church's global domination strategy. Nor were
> they going to tolerate citizens choosing religion for themselves. The
> overt religious intolerance began in earnest around the end of the
> 14th century and throughout the 15th century, leading up to the
> expulsion.
> 
> In the pre-Christian era, we tried to become the dominant religion,
> hence the two Hellenic-style Temples and priests. This begat the
> people who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, who objected to having a
> Temple-based religion, and eventually led to Christianity. We
> shouldn't prosyletize.
> 
> >>. . .   

A Jewish friend with an interest in archaelogy once worked on a Roman
dig - I don't recall where beyond it being in Italy - and told me the
Romans viewed Christianity as a mere Jewish sect. That certainly
changed over the following centuries!


-- 
Rhino