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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: architecture, The Design of Design Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 14:18:04 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <20240508141804.00005d47@yahoo.com> References: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> <c4ee3c91e9a05dee1098a3786edb61df@www.novabbs.org> <v0rhqv$1itj$3@gal.iecc.com> <86r0emt69e.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v0tuqt$613$2@gal.iecc.com> <86a5l2tnyk.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20240507115433.000049ce@yahoo.com> <v1fim7$3t28r$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 13:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d430ef09d4bc939ad2d708bfcf5e15d1"; logging-data="3323295"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18adehrzErHom8WLOh89tWcRgfGgXaJjBk=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:32Fz7Fn+9FMRU/7bG/Y2F0sYHhE= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2935 On Wed, 8 May 2024 10:03:51 -0000 (UTC) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> schrieb: > > > My impression is that until S/360 there was no such thing as > > different by 100% SW compatible models. > > I think the important thing was that S/360 was designed and built, > right from the start, as a _series_ of compatible computers, which > were upward- and downward-compatible. They had the challenge > of designing an architecture where the instructions for the > high-end supercomputers still needed to work (although slowly) > on the low-end bread and butter machines, and what was efficient > on the low-end bread and butter machines should not constrain the > high-end supercomputers. > Of course, there is a theory and there is a practice. In practice, downward compatibility lasted ~half a year, until Model 20. Upward compatibility did not fare much better and was broken approximately one year after initial release, in Model 67. That is, if I didn't get upward and downward backward. According to my understanding, since ~1970, IBM completely gave up on all sorts of compatibility except backward compatibility. In more recent decades it was further reduced to application-level backward compatibility. > Most other computer series were built one at a time, with successors > usually extending the previous ones (which IBM also did with the /370, > series). The VAX may have been another such line - DEC did not > release several models all at once, but they did release the cheaper > and slower 11/750 after they had released the 11/780. I'd think that by 1977 (VAX) backward compatibility was widespread in the industry.