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From: "Don" <g@crcomp.net>
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Subject: Re: The end of stackoverflow?
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 22:22:02 -0000 (UTC)
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Don Y wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> Don Y wrote:
>>> Don wrote:
>>>> It's feasible for the fine print of social sites similar to
>>>> Stackoverflow to stipulate all rights to user content belong to the
>>>> website owner. The quid pro quo is the owner's out-of-pocket expenses to
>>>> host the site.
>>>>
>>>> Everything comes at a price. And this perfectly illustrates why people
>>>> absolutely must host their own websites in order to protect their
>>>> rights.
>>>
>>> Litigation is what will protect your rights; merely hosting a site
>>> (that can be archived and reused at a later date by any number of
>>> visitors) only controls what that site will PUBLISH at some instant
>>> in time.
>>>
>>> Can you prevent a 'bot from scraping your site and using that
>>> content to "educate a visitor"?  *Train* an AI??
>>
>> Both 'bots and litigation are separate topics.
>
> Bots are the exact corollary to AI; what's the difference between
> me, as a human, scraping your site (even if I don't do it mechanically)
> and LEARNING from everything contained therein... vs. a bot scraping it
> for an AI?
>
>> My comments pertain to rights retention. After you sign away your
>> rights, nothing's left to litigate.
>
> When *your* site is scraped, where are your rights?  Can you
> prove that my AI derived some/all of its knowledge from the
> "copyright-protected content" on your site?
>
>> If it helps, think of it this way: a website's owner is legally entitled
>> to rip you off when you sign away your rights.
>
> So, as the site's owner, what protections do *you* have
> regarding *your* content (regardless of its source)?
>
> Once you publish, you're exposed.  I make a point of inserting
> small bugs into any code that I publish as exemplars.  My thinking
> is that anyone who is interested in the points being illustrated will
> TRY to run the code, encounter an error AND THEN LOOK *INTO* THE CODE
> in an attempt to UNDERSTAND it.  That last point being the exact
> point of providing exemplars!  :>
>
> (Anyone -- or anyTHING -- intent on just COPYING it will replicate the bug)

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

Your questions and arguments again fall outside of the scope of my
followup. My comments pertain to rights retention.

Danke,

-- 
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.