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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don <g@crcomp.net> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies Subject: Re: Deep focus on Freemason forms found in Forbidden Planet Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:18:55 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 83 Message-ID: <20240601b@crcomp.net> References: <20240601a@crcomp.net> <v3fvv4$2v16p$1@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8stipulation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 05:18:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="385f6c0eacb98ffccd495cc964ddee02"; logging-data="3364595"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YOvo6oH/AMm1Qq6IcyZWn" Cancel-Lock: sha1:5Bfy3qWt3LX85VWX9SSs0evhQY4= Bytes: 4548 petertrei wrote: > Don wrote: >> We have set it down as a law to ourselves to examine >> things to the bottom, and not to receive upon credit, >> or reject upon probability, until these have passed a >> due examination. - Bacon's Natural History. >> >> _The Tempest_ is popularly interpreted as an allegory for Freemason >> initiation [1][2]. And some Shakespearean scholars simultaneously see >> _Forbidden Planet_ as an adaptation of _The Tempest_ [3][4]. >> Given all of the above, it's fun to forage for Freemason forms in >> _Forbidden Planet_." >> The link below shows some symbols spotted in the movie along with >> associated commentary. Views expressed are for informational purposes >> only; they do not constitute an endorsement or an approval of >> Freemasonry, Shakespeare, or Bacon. >> >> <https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/index.php> >> >> Do you see other, overlooked, occult Freemason symbols in >> _Forbidden Planet_? Append any additional speculative symbology you spot >> to this thread. > > Whoo boy. You're playing in *my* house now. > > I'm a Freemason, and have been one for over 35 years. > I know a thing or two. > > I'm going to accept, as everyone does, that Forbidden Planet is > a homage to The Tempest. > > The 'popular interpretation' is better characterized as 'a couple > of people wrote speculative essays'. > > Freemasonry is remarkably free of canon, and there > is complete freedom for any Mason to write any speculation about it he > wants, without fear of sanction, unless he reveals a very small number > of passwords, etc - all the 'real secrets' would fit on the 3x5 filecard > with room to spare. > > I have, for example, a book claiming that Stonehenge was constructed as > a Masonic temple. This is nonsense, but the author didn't get in > trouble. > > There's a very long cottage industry of claiming that this or that > work of art contains Masonic dogwhistles. Usually they're not supported. > > In the case of Forbidden Planet, the things the linked essay claims > as 'Masonic forms' don't appear in the play - they were added for > the movie. Certainly, Shakespeare didn't put them there. > > As to whether they were actually intended to invoke Freemasonry, I > can't rule it out. But its highly speculative, and I strongly > doubt it. Some are too strained (the Krell doorways), some have errors > (the staircase), some have far more mundane explanations (Cookies > apron, the celestial globe), and some are just too common to require > a Masonic explanation (the star blowing up). > > [Prediction, based on years of trying to debunk nonsense about > Freemasonry. Don will say some combination of: > > * You're low level, and don't know the real secrets. > * You're high level, and are hiding the real secrets. > * My internet sources are better than your lived experience. Please post greater detail about your "winding staircase" grievance. On a happier note, it was fun to discover the Forty-seventh Problem of Euclid staring at me right in the face from the chalkboard! It tickles me to pull Euclid into my Masonic mosaic in the form of a new Figure. Perhaps a wise guy can pull a pattern, a potential pièce de résistance, out of this paper? <https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/paper.png> Danke, -- Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God. tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.