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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi Subject: Re: Pi4 to Pi5 migration Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 21:31:02 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <20240617213102.5469e7c085fb422accb5bd0b@eircom.net> References: <v3q2gj$11bgl$1@dont-email.me> <v3rso5$1e4f4$1@dont-email.me> <v3rt0n$1e7dq$1@dont-email.me> <v3t15g$1kl11$1@dont-email.me> <CIE8O.2$46t.0@fx46.iad> <v40elc$2afcj$1@dont-email.me> <6664f500@news.ausics.net> <v44ep4$3in0i$1@dont-email.me> <66678cd1@news.ausics.net> <v48bt5$rkhg$1@dont-email.me> <66680dc4@news.ausics.net> <666e3aae@news.ausics.net> <v4nt9h$93on$1@dont-email.me> <20240617023723.fea7a2ffaba9784eaeeecad0@eircom.net> <v4ptpo$rne0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 23:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="896a43b0f97343acba22a0d26973366b"; logging-data="983378"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+/T0ryij7FXmOjir3kzsxRg/KzVpNsCQY=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:CVOYME68Y+/MuAAUybwJB9oPHqY= X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) Bytes: 3137 On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 18:03:37 -0000 (UTC) <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 23:42:41 -0000 (UTC) > > More like five years, the 80386 came out in 1987. There were > > BSD ports available by 1993 and the first Linux release was in 1991. > > However that's just open source - There were commercial XENIX and > > Interactive ports earlier - even for the 80286. > > We're comparing different endpoints. I started with 386BSD and it > could be made to install and run by about 1992, but that alone was > an accomplishment for a non-expert like me. It took a few more Indeed it was - did you have the patch kit ? > years to become _usable_ by non-experts, in the form of FreeBSD. Nope FreeBSD 1.0 came out in November 1993 - I was using 1.1.5.1 to run a Dublin based ISP in 1994. We gave Jordan Hubbard a free account when we discovered he was visiting Ireland and he gave us a stack of 1.1 discs. He got the better deal :) > Maybe I'm off a little on the dates (I learned of 386BSD about a > year after the Byte Magazine series by Jolitz) but then it was > still very fiddly. By about 1997-8 I was using FreeBSD for email. That would be late 2.2 or early 3.0 days - 3.0 was the release that included APM support for laptops, one of the few occasions I ran -current. > Others were doubtless quicker on the uptake, but they were a select Many others between 1994 and 1998. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/ For forms of government let fools contest Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope