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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: sort - C, python, C++, glibc Was: Baby X is bor nagain Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:17:58 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <20240619131758.0000032e@yahoo.com> References: <v494f9$von8$1@dont-email.me> <v49seg$14cva$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v49t6f$14i1o$1@dont-email.me> <v4bcbj$1gqlo$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <v4bh56$1hibd$1@dont-email.me> <v4c0mg$1kjmk$1@dont-email.me> <v4c8s4$1lki1$4@dont-email.me> <20240613002933.000075c5@yahoo.com> <v4emki$28d1b$1@dont-email.me> <20240613174354.00005498@yahoo.com> <v4okn9$flpo$2@dont-email.me> <20240617002924.597@kylheku.com> <v4pddb$m5th$1@dont-email.me> <20240618115650.00006e3f@yahoo.com> <v4rv0o$1b7h1$1@dont-email.me> <20240618184026.000046e1@yahoo.com> <v4sd75$1ed31$1@dont-email.me> <v4tr8c$1qoda$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:17:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="83e4d29d6f2ca6cbe2267f3ca439169b"; logging-data="2008991"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18V001T+udgleQFr/eJIwyow0WDaPYiS9s=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:xmC9aRJpQRAwtbMmhfYTXrvxZss= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 3790 On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:44:44 +0200 David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: > On 18/06/2024 18:39, Malcolm McLean wrote: > >> > >> > > My main experience of Python was that we had some resource files > > which were icons, in matching light and dark themes. The light > > theme had suffix _L followed by extension, and the dark themes had > > _D. And they needed to be sorted alphabetically, except that _L > > should be placed before _D. > > And it didn't take long to get Python to sort the list > > alphabetically, but there seemed no way in to the sort comparision > > function itself. And I had to give up. > > > > Python "sort" is a bit like C "qsort" (desperately trying to relate > this to the group topicality) in that you can define your own > comparison function, and use that for "sort". For simple comparison > functions, people often use lambdas, for more complicated ones it's > clearer to define a function with a name. > > Off topic: Indeed, Python sort has option for specifying comparison function, but I would not call it very similar to comparison function of C qsort since in Python comparison is not applied directly to the record. Instead, it applied to the keys that are derived from record. Besides, my impression is that in Python sorting by user-supplied comparison function is less idiomatic than doing all heavy lifting in user-supplied key function. For the case, presented by Malcolm, I'd certainly do it all in key(), without custom cmp_to_key(). May be, it's a little less efficient, but significantly easier to comprehend. Back to topic: C qsort() sucks. They forgot to provide an option for 3rd parameter (context) in comparison callback. Back to O.T.: Python's sort bypasses the problem by allowing lambda as a key() function, so it could have visibility of variables of the caller. IMHO, it still sucks. C++ way, where comparison can be functor, sucks far less. I find it less than obvious, but at least all functionality one can ever want is available. Back to topic: why C standard committee still didn't add something like gnu qsort_r() to the standard?