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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 23:53:58 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <20240904235358.00001101@yahoo.com> References: <2024Aug30.161204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <memo.20240830164247.19028y@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vasruo$id3b$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug30.195831@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vat5ap$jthk$2@dont-email.me> <vaunhb$vckc$1@dont-email.me> <vautmu$vr5r$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug31.170347@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vavpnh$13tj0$2@dont-email.me> <vb00c2$150ia$1@dont-email.me> <505954890d8461c1f4082b1beecd453c@www.novabbs.org> <vb0kh2$12ukk$1@dont-email.me> <vb3smg$1ta6s$1@dont-email.me> <vb4q5o$12ukk$3@dont-email.me> <vb6a16$38aj5$1@dont-email.me> <vb7evj$12ukk$4@dont-email.me> <vb8587$3gq7e$1@dont-email.me> <vb91e7$3o797$1@dont-email.me> <vb9eeh$3q993$1@dont-email.me> <vba56o$3te58$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 22:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f5b4484afd3dbda6f2ab188785210aec"; logging-data="4181427"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/kCi/JGj4eOB9dSgUmcMiYE8HGoe0AFlA=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZVYVVavcBWqJPuV5MixVaPnkAIY= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.34; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2823 On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 17:25:44 -0000 (UTC) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb: > > > I'm all in favour of temporarily having checks for overflow (and > > other errors) during debugging, but I am sceptical to having > > distinct debug/release builds. It encourages people to use debug > > builds during development, bug hunting and testing, then when all > > looks good they switch to release build and deploy it. I prefer a > > single build, and enable run-time checks on parts of it if and when > > necessary. > > Wise man once said... > > # It is absurd to make elaborate security checks on debugging runs, > # when no trust is put in the results, and then remove them in > # production runs, when an erroneous result could be expensive or > # disastrous. What would we think of a sailing enthusiast who wears > # his lifejacket when training on dry land, but takes it off as soon > # as he goes to sea? > > (C.A.R. Hoare, in "Hints on Programming Language Desin) Wise man was wrong. Range check are not similar to live jackets. They do not turn incorrect program into correct one.