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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!dummy01.as286.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: arm ldxr/stxr vs cas Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 12:00:05 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <20240909120005.0000338d@yahoo.com> References: <vb4sit$2u7e2$1@dont-email.me> <898cf44224e9790b74a0269eddff095a@www.novabbs.org> <vbd4k1$fpn6$1@dont-email.me> <vbd91c$g5j0$1@dont-email.me> <vbflk4$uc98$1@dont-email.me> <352e80684e75a2c0a298b84e4bf840c4@www.novabbs.org> <vbhpv0$1de2c$1@dont-email.me> <vbimfd$1jbai$1@dont-email.me> <vbimo3$1jbai$2@dont-email.me> <vbimsj$1jb9v$1@dont-email.me> <7ca6928a45e4cae89ba50a4623809d1c@www.novabbs.org> <vbjgre$1rat4$3@dont-email.me> <50kDO.14812$ORHe.9948@fx07.iad> <20240908204621.000062d1@yahoo.com> <e5mDO.294220$Hld5.51851@fx15.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 10:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="45fff2496b15112b5e4e03cadfa28742"; logging-data="2041887"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181B4TlZzNso6OTynoIip8euccEwCy/hW0=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Mh0yFb0wiVaHo3HPg/cNA5l7ToI= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2909 On Sun, 08 Sep 2024 18:32:42 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: > >On Sun, 08 Sep 2024 16:10:41 GMT > >scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > > > >> > >> On AMD processors (and likely intel), if a core cannot acquire > >> a cache line in a a finite time, the core will assert the bus lock > >> to ensure forward progress. > >> > >> Nothing to do with the operating software; purely a hardware > >> thing. > > > > > >I think, on AMD processors made in this century the only cases that > >resort to physical bus lock are > >A) atomic accesses that cross cache boundary > >B) atomic accesses that address non-cached memory regions > > C) A core cannot acquire a cache line in a finite time. We > encountered this in 2010 on AMD Opteron processors with > our HyperTransport connected CXL-like chip (designed in 2005); > r/t latency could be as high as 800ns to remote memory. > PathScale Infinipath, I suppose. Bought by QLogic then sold to Sicortex then picked by Cray when Sicortex went belly-up then resold to Intel where it became the base for Omni-Path that was discontinued in 2019, but according to Wikipedia still living under Cornelis Networks. https://www.cornelisnetworks.com/ I never liked attempts to use it as cache-coherent interconnect.