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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:46:03 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <20240915154603.0000272f@yahoo.com> References: <vaqgtl$3526$1@dont-email.me> <memo.20240830090549.19028u@jgd.cix.co.uk> <2024Aug30.161204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <86r09ulqyp.fsf@linuxsc.com> <2024Sep8.173639@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <p1cvdjpqjg65e6e3rtt4ua6hgm79cdfm2n@4ax.com> <2024Sep10.101932@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <ygn8qvztf16.fsf@y.z> <2024Sep11.123824@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vbsoro$3ol1a$1@dont-email.me> <867cbhgozo.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20240912142948.00002757@yahoo.com> <865xqzg63u.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20240913144411.00005866@yahoo.com> <vc2ber$120mf$1@dont-email.me> <20240914215922.000033d1@yahoo.com> <vc4qqv$1lgpq$1@dont-email.me> <20240915001939.00003be0@yahoo.com> <vc64gr$22g95$1@dont-email.me> <20240915125006.00006e78@yahoo.com> <vc6kg8$25pl6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:45:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b1d11931d9aad568cedfe64b3767d71c"; logging-data="2177741"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+rG4DOT8Ykt8JkRc1HSzJnpY8L8mZ+x8E=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:+mp/WPgUZBupm4DyQObejU16Jio= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2591 On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:38:32 -0000 (UTC) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > On 2024-09-15, Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > You seem to think that C should be as optimizable and as full of > > UBs as Fortran. > > The only place where "undefined behavior" is mentioned in the Fortran > standards is with reference to C. > The rest of the time they write "program shouldn't" or "when xyz the program is ill-formed" or something like that. But the meaning is exactly the same as UB in C. > > Many compiler authors agree with you. > > I have different idea. > > You don't appear to believe in specifications. > > >iIMHO, your party exploits the letter of C > > standard in violation to its spirit. > > If you meet the spirit of the C standard, say hello to him for me. If I meet him, I'd try drink him.