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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 00:34:03 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <20240924003403.0000132b@yahoo.com> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <vcd7pr$3op6a$3@dont-email.me> <vcq0d3$2bl9r$1@dont-email.me> <eufIO.23607$5837.18598@fx35.iad> <53d7c9f33cef9dc8c316dfbf980c372b@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 23:34:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e344963cfe9de7eba5bc3fbc7735cfb0"; logging-data="3001355"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/8Zj1H00XWM/v2kZXJmz8eCesi7A1uAC0=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:IFZQC5SyRWG+oSbmYKNac7VPGOY= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.34; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2883 On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:10:00 +0000 mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 15:06:50 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote: >=20 > > "Paul A. Clayton" <paaronclayton@gmail.com> writes: =20 > >>On 9/17/24 8:44=E2=80=AFPM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: =20 > >>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:45:50 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > >>> =20 > >>>> "the CPUs are simply I/O managers to the Inference Engines and > >>>> GPUs." =20 > >>> > >>> That particular Wheel of Reincarnation will never turn that way. > >>> > >>> Why? It comes down to RAM. Those addon processors will never have > >>> access to the sheer quantity of RAM that is available to the CPU. > >>> And motherboard-based CPU RAM is upgradeable, as well, whereas > >>> addon cards tend not to offer this option. =20 > >> > >>My guess would be that CPU RAM will decrease in upgradability. =20 > > > > LDO's statement "will never have access to the sheer quantity of > > RAM that is available to the CPU" is flat out wrong. > > > > Marvell already offers a CXL add-on processor card that supports > > up to 4TB of DRAM with 16 high-end ARM64 V series cores. =20 >=20 > At somewhere near 3=C3=97 the latency to DRAM. >=20 Where did you find this figure? I have read both product brief and press release and didn't see any latency numbers mentioned, not even an order of magnitude. I suppose, in order to get real datasheet one would have to sign NDA. Somehow I don't see how anything running over PCIe-like link can be as fast as you suggest. > If the size works for your application--great ! > If the latency does not work for you--less great.