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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:37:58 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <20240924123758.00000f32@yahoo.com> References: <memo.20240913205156.19028s@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vcd3ds$3o6ae$2@dont-email.me> <2935676af968e40e7cad204d40cafdcf@www.novabbs.org> <vcd7pr$3op6a$3@dont-email.me> <a20365f1bdcad769edd9e1f840edb2fe@www.novabbs.org> <vcda96$3p3a7$2@dont-email.me> <21028ed32d20f0eea9a754fafdb64e45@www.novabbs.org> <RECGO.45463$xO0f.22925@fx48.iad> <20240918190027.00003e4e@yahoo.com> <vcfp2q$8glq$5@dont-email.me> <jwv34lumjz7.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <vckpkg$18k7r$2@dont-email.me> <vckqus$18j12$2@dont-email.me> <vclvsa$1hf82$6@dont-email.me> <vcnabb$1nlod$3@dont-email.me> <vcnl6g$1p6a3$4@dont-email.me> <20240922025721.00002910@yahoo.com> <vcnuef$1vkui$6@dont-email.me> <20240922103416.00004648@yahoo.com> <vct232$2tic0$8@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 11:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b1fade10e8a2bab21410dad877002ecd"; logging-data="3291197"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18vYPxMRggTbqWIl3Xb9po99AoJMqiZGRI=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZxDNYmqdvHLmVPfPs2wou9NajoM= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2632 On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 00:45:22 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 10:34:16 +0300, Michael S wrote: > > > The difference between MPP and cluster is not well-defined. > > The difference between ccNUMA and MPP-or-cluster is crystal clear. > > If memory on other nodes were made directly addressable via hardware > that implemented something like a message-passing bus, suddenly the > difference is not so clear. For as long as communication is not cache-coherent the difference vs ccNUMA is still crystal clear. I vaguely remember that in late 1990s Cray made computer of this sort, a predecessor of later far more successful CRAY-XT3/4. The later had to give up on direct addressability in order to scale for vastly higher number of nodes and of total memory. May be, Cray T3E ?