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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: is Vax addressing sane today Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 13:51:19 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <20241006135119.00007dd7@yahoo.com> References: <vdg3d1$2kdqr$1@dont-email.me> <memo.20241001101211.19028o@jgd.cix.co.uk> <20241001123426.000066c1@yahoo.com> <2024Oct1.182625@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vdknel$3e4pf$9@dont-email.me> <2024Oct3.085754@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vdne1a$3uaeh$4@dont-email.me> <m1rufjhpi09m9adedt87nrcdfmij1i8pvb@4ax.com> <vdo2ct$4les$1@dont-email.me> <vdsn63$ukl1$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 12:50:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="18ac7e79562038ddb85a7a321c10035e"; logging-data="1251000"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/gi3WS3LlFsoSNqDSjE6BRLIDaRTdZ4Yo=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:WGheFJRFc+/MAIyTVwdtTTLwobw= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2703 On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 00:55:31 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 23:36:12 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >=20 > >> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 00:48:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > >> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> =20 > >>> That=E2=80=99s all past history, anyway. RISC very much rules today, = and > >>> it is x86 that is struggling to keep up. =20 > >>=20 > >> You are, of course, aware that the complex "x86" instruction set > >> is an illusion and that the hardware essentially has been a > >> load-store RISC with a complex decoder on the front end since the > >> Pentium Pro landed in 1995. =20 >=20 > Of course, and that complexity (and consequent expense) is part of > the struggle. Looking at Intel=E2=80=99s current financial woes, it is > clearly not being as successful at that as it has been in the past. Intel's current financial woes do not appear to be [directly] related to Intel PC (laptops+desktop) sails that are right now pretty good and profitable. Even servers division that struggled and lost money for majority of 2023 now recovering and is profitable again even if profit margin is tiny comparatively to 2021. Actually, it takes special management talent to have such good result in the company's main segment and despite that to lose money for Q after Q after Q.