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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Historical evolution of CPU perf Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 20:18:40 +0100 Organization: Dis Lines: 56 Message-ID: <20241009201840.31c1e818f9d5e789691c718b@127.0.0.1> References: <jwvh69l6zms.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <ve6hmr$2nbq0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 21:18:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3dd09db4cdff759e6bd7fbfe8f696f14"; logging-data="2897546"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18rDr6GOHVjwCTZpdFxdHXRmF5PTu+AbHQ=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:5t1NqpeyqwMNx4g2C++8D6VTvcs= GNU: Terry Pratchett X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) SigSep: is ALWAYS dash dash space newline ;X-no-Archive: Maybe Bytes: 3414 On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 13:23:22 -0500 BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/9/2024 11:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I'm looking for a chart illustrating the evolution of CPU performance > > (e.g. single-threaded or maybe performance per watt) over the years, > > covering something like 1990-2020. > > > > Any good candidates? > > > > Yeah, I would also like something like this, or maybe some way to > "sensibly" compare the relative performance of modern stuff with vintage > stuff. > > Like, for example, I can't make sense of whether the performance of my > current project is similar to similarly-clocked vintage hardware, or > potentially significantly faster. > > Based simply on Dhrystone score, it would likely be placed in a similar > area to a 90s era PowerPC in terms of perf/MHz. > > > > But, if I add an early 2000s laptop as a reference point, stuff gets > weird. In various benchmarks, the difference in performance is > significantly smaller than the relative difference in clock-speed. > > Though, the laptop is also break-even with a RasPi2 in terms of general > perf (in theory, the laptop should be faster). Seems like the laptop > suffers a relative deficit in terms of memory bandwidth (*). > > But, can note that Dhrystone doesn't really measure memory bandwidth... > > > *: The 100MHz DDR1 RAM in the laptop gets roughly 7x the memory > bandwidth of a 16-bit DDR2 chip being run at 50MHz. Sort of makes sense > if one assumes 4x the width and 2x the clock-speed. > > I am not sure if just the laptop, or if RAM access in general was > proportionally slower in the 90s. Or, if it is just a case that late 90s > / early 2000s, CPUs had gotten faster much faster than RAM had gotten > faster, so there was a performance lag here. > > I suspect it may be the latter, if one linearly extrapolated backwards, > it would mean 486 PCs running at ~ 10-16 MB/sec for RAM bandwidth, which > in my own testing seems insufficient to run Doom at acceptable speeds > (actual 486's having no issues running Doom). > As a complete non-cpu chap, what I care about is (my) consumer experience; - i.e no delays. So ditch the fancy graphics - get me a fast boot time and a responsive OS. Only a few are doing FFTs & so-called AI. -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.